Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[inchy14]

At least they chip in

So do we, and as is being shown with their ludicrous demands we've had enough.

 

[mcfc1632]

Of course Europe would have been united without us, course it would been called Europa and the people holding together would be wearing field grey with a real bad attitude to people who objected or didn't look like them.

Austria's far right candidate was defeated - but it was close - same in Holland and in France Le Pen got 35% of the vote in the 2nd round and in the 1st round another anti-EU candidate did well.

There is a trend here - away from the EU. 5 years will soon go by and what is going to happen across the EU to halt this tide ahead of the next round of elections?

So long as we are out, I am not one who will delight in the EU failing - although I certainly think that it will. I think that the EU has a lot to worry about and I cannot see what policies and/or strategies are being pursued to make their UNITY something built on widespread economic benefit.

Their only solution appears to be deeper and deeper integration to tie countries further in and make it hard to leave - hardly a Union built on strong foundations

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Austria's far right candidate was defeated - but it was close - same in Holland and in France Le Pen got 35% of the vote in the 2nd round and in the 1st round another anti-EU candidate did well.

There is a trend here - away from the EU. 5 years will soon go by and what is going to happen across the EU to halt this tide ahead of the next round of elections?

So long as we are out, I am not one who will delight in the EU failing - although I certainly think that it will. I think that the EU has a lot to worry about and I cannot see what policies and/or strategies are being pursued to make their UNITY something built on widespread economic benefit.

Their only solution appears to be deeper and deeper integration to tie countries further in and make it hard to leave - hardly a Union built on strong foundations

You can't seriously be saying that 35% in France have any rights or should be listened to in any way, surely? 48% of the UK voted to stay in, but they're just remoaning wankers who should just shut up and get on with it........

 

[CityStu]

You can't seriously be saying that 35% in France have any rights or should be listened to in any way, surely? 48% of the UK voted to stay in, but they're just remoaning wankers who should just shut up and get on with it........

I guess comprehension's not your strong suit.

He's saying that anti-EU sentiment is growing across Europe and the EU need to realise this and adapt to become more acceptable to more people. At the moment they're revelling in victories that are showing bad trends for them, even if anti-EU parties aren't quite over the halfway line yet. Their answer to it also seems to be more influence, more integration, more bollocks that people probably don't want.

 

[hgblue]

I guess comprehension's not your strong suit.

He's saying that anti-EU sentiment is growing across Europe and the EU need to realise this and adapt to become more acceptable to more people. At the moment they're revelling in victories that are showing bad trends for them, even if anti-EU parties aren't quite over the halfway line yet. Their answer to it also seems to be more influence, more integration, more bollocks that people probably don't want.

Precisely, rather than celebrating the fact that the far right has been defeated for now and carrying on down the path of deeper and deeper integration, maybe they should stop and think whether this integration is contributing to the feelings of discontent? Rather than insulting people who disagree with them they should listen, engage with them, and offer to change?

 

[Cheesy]

Precisely, rather than celebrating the fact that the far right has been defeated for now and carrying on down the path of deeper and deeper integration, maybe they should stop and think whether this integration is contributing to the feelings of discontent? Rather than insulting people who disagree with them they should listen, engage with them, and offer to change?

Fat chance of that happening!

 

[jonmcity]

The negotiations are over, they want a load of our borrowed cash, We will tell them to F off. No deals, WTO rules and tariffs will apply. Jobs will go in the EU & the UK. Scotland will split from the UK. We will stop going on Holidays in France & Spain and stop driving German; French; Italian & Spanish cars. We need lots of trade deals organised with the rest of the world ASAP and we should be putting all our resources into this.

 

[mcfc1632]

I guess comprehension's not your strong suit.

He's saying that anti-EU sentiment is growing across Europe and the EU need to realise this and adapt to become more acceptable to more people. At the moment they're revelling in victories that are showing bad trends for them, even if anti-EU parties aren't quite over the halfway line yet. Their answer to it also seems to be more influence, more integration, more bollocks that people probably don't want.

This is the problem that you still find with the die-hard Remainers - most of them simply cannot consider anything that will develop and/or take place in the future.

Throughout this thread it has been the same - they continue to fight the 23/06 fight, unable to enter into debate on the outcomes of negotiations other than to throw out the same old same old doom-mongering and cheap sound bites of last year - whether or not they actually hold any relevance or credibility nowadays.

So yes - my earlier comments were forward looking - to the time when the EU countries are going through the preparations for the next round of elections.

The trend is towards increased nationalism and the EU response only seems to be planning for acts of deeper integration - a bit like pouring fuel on the fire it seems to me.

So in the coming years can we not expect to see parties across the EU27 including referenda in their manifestos? Some of us on here have been commenting on the - only too obvious - level of growing populism. Problem is the EU acolytes on here only seem able to put their hands over their eyes and ears - totally in denial and incapable of discussing / debating where we are going with Brexit, IMO.

In a perverse sense, as someone that as repeatedly mentioned the need for us to put space between the EU and the UK before the implosions picks up pace, I think we can view our own withdrawal as potentially somewhat serene when compared to what might take place elsewhere across the EU in the future. It is not being overseen by a government that is either ultra-left or ultra right - as might happen elsewhere within the EU, but one of the established main parties and by a PM that seems to be intent on dragging her party to become centrist.

It will be great when we see the Remainers progress a bit in the grieving process - moving on from the shock and denial stage and finding the capability to engage in debate

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

This is the problem that you still find with the die-hard Remainers - most of them simply cannot consider anything that will develop and/or take place in the future.

Throughout this thread it has been the same - they continue to fight the 23/06 fight unable, to enter into debate on the outcomes of negotiations other than to throw out the same old same old doom-mongering and cheap sound bites of last year - whether or not they actually hold any credibility nowadays.

So yes - my earlier comments were forward looking - to the time when the EU countries are going through the preparations for the next round of negotiations.

The trend is towards increased nationalism and the EU response only seems to be acts of deeper integration - a bit like pouring fuel on the fire it seems to me.

So in the coming years can we not expect to see parties including referenda in their manifestos? Some of us on here have been commenting on the - only too obvious - level of growing populism. Problem is the EU acolytes on here only seem able to put their hands over their eyes and ears - totally in denial and incapable of discussing / debating where we are going with Brexit, IMO.

In a perverse sense, as someone that as repeatedly mentioned the need for us to put space between the EU and the UK before the implosions picks up pace, I think we can view our own withdrawal as potentially somewhat serene when compared to what might take place elsewhere across the EU in the future. It is not being overseen by a government that is either ultra-left or ultra right - as might happen elsewhere within the EU, but one of the established main parties and by a PM that seems to be intent on dragging her party to become centrist.

It will be great when we see the Remainers progress a bit in the grieving process - moving on from the shock and denial stage and finding the capability to engage in debate

The weirdest result of this referendum is the constant suggestion by some remainers that we can leave the EU without changing a thing. Stay in the single market the customs union and the free movement of people. That isn't leaving the EU that's staying in it and pretending that we have had a Brexit referendum.

 

[hgblue]

Precisely, rather than celebrating the fact that the far right has been defeated for now and carrying on down the path of deeper and deeper integration, maybe they should stop and think whether this integration is contributing to the feelings of discontent? Rather than insulting people who disagree with them they should listen, engage with them, and offer to change?

I hear what you're saying and agree with it, but the frustration is why don't they listen to the people of member states and offer them a different model if that's what they want? I know the answer, because if they offer one member state a different model then everyone will want it, but surely that's democracy? Forcing people down a path they don't want to go and then threatening them if they say 'no thanks', is a fascist approach and will end in tears.
Edit meant to reply to Cheesys post not my own, doh