OK I'll rephrase it, stories in fairy tales should not influence any decision made over assisted dying is that better?I’m as much of an atheist as anyone, but I always wonder if posters realise how ignorant they come across - even to another atheist - when they try to write off something that is central to the lives of 6,800,000,000 humans on this planet.
It’s pretty much the one thing another atheist can do to make me completely disregard everything else they’re saying, because the arrogance and narcissism need to think 85% of the global population, or 60% of the UK, doesn’t deserve to be involved in a debate like only proves that you shouldn’t be in it.
If you believe assisted dying or legalised suicide should be brought in then you’ll have to accept that the ~33% of the country that says they are not religious are going to need the help of “people who believe in fairy tales” to get it passed.
They should be irrelevant to the debate as there should be the choice. They can choose not to take up the option, if it goes against their religious beliefs.OK I'll rephrase it, stories in fairy tales should not influence any decision made over assisted dying is that better?
Or are you telling me that because a believer (of whatever religion) interprets the religious teachings of said religion in such a manner that assisted dying would be against the will of said god, then that should influence the debate?
That's pretty much what I said, except your post pre-supposes that AD is legalised. My concern is that religious beliefs influence the debate about the legalisation of ADThey should be irrelevant to the debate as there should be the choice. They can choose not to take up the option, if it goes against their religious beliefs.
It‘d only be relevant in a referendum, which would be pointless in any event.That's pretty much what I said, except your post pre-supposes that AD is legalised. My concern is that religious beliefs influence the debate about the legalisation of AD
They can enter the debate so long as they keep their delutional observations from out of any sensible discussion. I have no penchant for the 7 billion oddities that have been indoctrinated into belief systems alien to my own. As Hitchens once said .. Do not make me play with your toys, I shall not play with your toys.I’m as much of an atheist as anyone, but I always wonder if posters realise how ignorant they come across - even to another atheist - when they try to write off something that is central to the lives of 6,800,000,000 humans on this planet.
It’s pretty much the one thing another atheist can do to make me completely disregard everything else they’re saying, because the arrogance and narcissism need to think 85% of the global population, or 60% of the UK, doesn’t deserve to be involved in a debate like only proves that you shouldn’t be in it.
If you believe assisted dying or legalised suicide should be brought in then you’ll have to accept that the ~33% of the country that says they are not religious are going to need the help of “people who believe in fairy tales” to get it passed.
Not if you wake up 3 days later it’s not..Fwiw Jesus was almost given assisted death on the cross. If he hadn’t been dead they’d have broken his legs to speed up his death. The people begged Pilot to break his legs, so was assisted death ok amongst early Judaism.
It‘d only be relevant in a referendum, which would be pointless in any event.
Are U.K. laws allowed to be made with religious context these days?
Great postThey can enter the debate so long as they keep their delutional observations from out of any sensible discussion. I have no penchant for the 7 billion oddities that have been indoctrinated into belief systems that are alien to my own. As Hitchens once said .. do not make me play with your toys, I shall not play with your toys.
Mother in law is dying and in her final thows of life, suffering immensly from vascular dementia. Her weight has seriously plummeted, as she displays little desire to eat, and I guess she has long since departed the vehicle that has kept her rolling along her highways of life.
She's incontinent , can no longer walk, or recognize her closest loved ones, and constantly visualizes things that are not of her surroundings. This has been the case for may months now as her situation deteriorates by the week.
She is in a nursing home, that is not qualified in dementia care, because this is the cheapest option for the govermental bean counters that could not quite frankly give a toss.
She recieves hospice care, once weekly by a visiting team of Mcmillen, that try to maintain her comfort/pain levels until her following visitation.
So respectfully I have no desire to listen in to some religious advocates two penny worth on the meaning of life, when we are dealing with immense suffering at this level.
She may get to live another few months yet, and occationaly indicates of her wish to just die, owing to her mental stress, confusion, pain and diminshing functions.
Is this the mechanics of a civilised society .. well is it?
This is complete bollocks MB