Assisted dying

If you have grade four cancer or any grade of cancer a doctor can’t force treatment on you even though it may prolong your life. It’s a personal choice I see death as the same if you are in pain and asking for pain relief you should get enough Morphine to relieve the pain if it kills you the doctors are not to blame no one is.

People don’t opt to die unless they are suffering unbearable physical or mental pain, in the past doctors signed up to help people with illness, we already have plenty of laws to protect the vulnerable. I already signed one of those DNR notices. The doctor didn’t bat an eyelid.
 
Jersey State Legislature looking at how it would work there for them ...... thats a Bergerac plot twist I didn't see coming
 
This is an interesting and obviously highly emotive topic, so i will post about my own experiences and hope my thoughts make sense.

I have lived with constant pain since my early teens, so over 45 years. I take painkillers every day including powerful ones called Tramadol which are the ones just below morphine. I have been in hospital on Morphine a few times and yes felt so low and downhearted if my character was not so strong maybe I would have considered assisted dying, yes it was that bad at times. The key word for me in what i have just said is character, maybe if i was not a strong character would i have taken the assisted dying route? I don't know, i can not answer that question because it was not an option at the time.

Then we have the medical advances that have taken place since I was first hospitalised. Back then, there was no hope for the likes of me and assisted dying would have looked a far better option than it looks today because the new meds developed for my problems are fantastic and there is even better ones in the pipeline. So if i had had the option to have assisted dying at that time I would have never had the option of the new meds that are available.

That leads me to think that assisted dying is almost at the mercy of medical advancements. Imagine your family having to go through all the emotions of you passing away and then finding out the following day that a new med could have extended life and made life comfortable and liveable.

I am really conflicted by this issue because in the past I could well of taken the assisted dying route and that would have meant i missed out on calling you lot cunts.
 
Rascal said:
This is an interesting and obviously highly emotive topic, so i will post about my own experiences and hope my thoughts make sense.

I have lived with constant pain since my early teens, so over 45 years. I take painkillers every day including powerful ones called Tramadol which are the ones just below morphine. I have been in hospital on Morphine a few times and yes felt so low and downhearted if my character was not so strong maybe I would have considered assisted dying, yes it was that bad at times. The key word for me in what i have just said is character, maybe if i was not a strong character would i have taken the assisted dying route? I don't know, i can not answer that question because it was not an option at the time.

Then we have the medical advances that have taken place since I was first hospitalised. Back then, there was no hope for the likes of me and assisted dying would have looked a far better option than it looks today because the new meds developed for my problems are fantastic and there is even better ones in the pipeline. So if i had had the option to have assisted dying at that time I would have never had the option of the new meds that are available.

That leads me to think that assisted dying is almost at the mercy of medical advancements. Imagine your family having to go through all the emotions of you passing away and then finding out the following day that a new med could have extended life and made life comfortable and liveable.

I am really conflicted by this issue because in the past I could well of taken the assisted dying route and that would have meant i missed out on calling you lot cunts.
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I know you didn't post your post for a reaction mate but I wish you well and hope you get some respite from pain.
 
PinkFinal said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Dutch woman, 28, will end her life by euthanasia next month

Zoraya ter Beek, who lives in a small village in the Netherlands , will be 'freed' early next month, she has claimed. She will be euthanized on the sofa in her home with her boyfriend by her side.
www.dailymail.co.uk
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I do wonder how any kind of legally assisted suicide law would work with neurodivergent people and their wishes. That article made me sad for her partner. But if you love someone so much you respect their wishes over yours.

I support a euthanasia law as long as the whole process is 100% safeguarded.
 
Rascal said:
This is an interesting and obviously highly emotive topic, so i will post about my own experiences and hope my thoughts make sense.

I have lived with constant pain since my early teens, so over 45 years. I take painkillers every day including powerful ones called Tramadol which are the ones just below morphine. I have been in hospital on Morphine a few times and yes felt so low and downhearted if my character was not so strong maybe I would have considered assisted dying, yes it was that bad at times. The key word for me in what i have just said is character, maybe if i was not a strong character would i have taken the assisted dying route? I don't know, i can not answer that question because it was not an option at the time.

Then we have the medical advances that have taken place since I was first hospitalised. Back then, there was no hope for the likes of me and assisted dying would have looked a far better option than it looks today because the new meds developed for my problems are fantastic and there is even better ones in the pipeline. So if i had had the option to have assisted dying at that time I would have never had the option of the new meds that are available.

That leads me to think that assisted dying is almost at the mercy of medical advancements. Imagine your family having to go through all the emotions of you passing away and then finding out the following day that a new med could have extended life and made life comfortable and liveable.

I am really conflicted by this issue because in the past I could well of taken the assisted dying route and that would have meant i missed out on calling you lot cunts.
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I've only just read this post and it was a perspective I never thought about before.

Thank you for giving me the chance to think beyond my simplistic on it.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
If you have grade four cancer or any grade of cancer a doctor can’t force treatment on you even though it may prolong your life. It’s a personal choice I see death as the same if you are in pain and asking for pain relief you should get enough Morphine to relieve the pain if it kills you the doctors are not to blame no one is.

People don’t opt to die unless they are suffering unbearable physical or mental pain, in the past doctors signed up to help people with illness, we already have plenty of laws to protect the vulnerable. I already signed one of those DNR notices. The doctor didn’t bat an eyelid.
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The thing with a DNR is you’re already dead. It’s not at all comparable to killing someone.
 
Rascal said:
This is an interesting and obviously highly emotive topic, so i will post about my own experiences and hope my thoughts make sense.

I have lived with constant pain since my early teens, so over 45 years. I take painkillers every day including powerful ones called Tramadol which are the ones just below morphine. I have been in hospital on Morphine a few times and yes felt so low and downhearted if my character was not so strong maybe I would have considered assisted dying, yes it was that bad at times. The key word for me in what i have just said is character, maybe if i was not a strong character would i have taken the assisted dying route? I don't know, i can not answer that question because it was not an option at the time.

Then we have the medical advances that have taken place since I was first hospitalised. Back then, there was no hope for the likes of me and assisted dying would have looked a far better option than it looks today because the new meds developed for my problems are fantastic and there is even better ones in the pipeline. So if i had had the option to have assisted dying at that time I would have never had the option of the new meds that are available.

That leads me to think that assisted dying is almost at the mercy of medical advancements. Imagine your family having to go through all the emotions of you passing away and then finding out the following day that a new med could have extended life and made life comfortable and liveable.

I am really conflicted by this issue because in the past I could well of taken the assisted dying route and that would have meant i missed out on calling you lot cunts.
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Fantastic post you ****
 
Dying doesn’t bother me too much, more so that my family would be upset
But the fear is ending up in constant pain unable to care for yourself or clean yourself so I’d be sorting it one way or another it didn’t get to that
 
TinFoilHat said:
I do wonder how any kind of legally assisted suicide law would work with neurodivergent people and their wishes. That article made me sad for her partner. But if you love someone so much you respect their wishes over yours.

I support a euthanasia law as long as the whole process is 100% safeguarded.
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I can tell you now, as the partner of someone planning to end her own life, that the worst part is seeing her degenerate into a shell of a person day by day by day.
 
metalblue said:
The thing with a DNR is you’re already dead. It’s not at all comparable to killing someone.
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To prolong life sometimes leaves people worse off than before.
Thinking of my Dad who had a cardiac arrest in Tameside hospital he was revived with the crash team but he couldn’t breathe and needed oxygen. We was all distraught and in the end I didn’t want him to suffer anymore three months he lasted like that We brought him home and it was great to have him back but that turned into me being selfish watching him suffer
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
To prolong life sometimes leaves people worse off than before.
Thinking of my Dad who had a cardiac arrest in Tameside hospital he was revived with the crash team but he couldn’t breathe and needed oxygen. We was all distraught and in the end I didn’t want him to suffer anymore three months he lasted like that We brought him home and it was great to have him back but that turned into me being selfish watching him suffer
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Sorry for what you all went through, death is always harder on the living,

Practically though there is zero chance assisted dying would have been used in your dads case. His was a relatively sudden onset and deterioration, if he had a DNR in place he would [hopefully] have had His wishes honoured. Anyone undergoing assisted dying is going to need all sorts of assessments and counselling.

However the one question I would ask you is … had you told your dad everything leading up to his cardiac arrest you’d wanted to say to him? or did that extra time give you and the rest of his family and loved ones time to say their last words? That he was able to hear and acknowledge. Hard as it is seeing him as you did don’t underestimate how important that process is.

Finally we are going to need to think about funding. Crass perhaps but the reality is the NHS has a finite pot of money to spend and we’re going to expect this to come from that NHS budget - that’s our healthcare system. There will be an army of professionals involved before anyone is even permitted to go ahead with this. Should the NHS prioritise assisted dying over some new quality of life preserving drug or treatment? Or should we ring fence the NHS as it is now? Fundamentally you’re changing its ethos if this came in to law and that should not be done lightly.
 
metalblue said:
The thing with a DNR is you’re already dead. It’s not at all comparable to killing someone.
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That’s true but a DNR protects you from suffering some of the problems associated with a restarting of the heart, such as “brain damage”

A young person I know just had a new style of pacemaker which has an automatic heart shock in it, she is young with children so it will restart her heart soon as it stops. The other one is an old person with cancer and other health issues that’s when your just restarting a life already well lived, so you opt out of anymore pain

There is a vote on assisted dying in the house I do hope it’s passed something has to be done for people suffering unbearable pain particularly those languishing in a care home with no prospect of a quality of life. Of course you need the evidence and they want to die.
 
metalblue said:
Sorry for what you all went through, death is always harder on the living,

Practically though there is zero chance assisted dying would have been used in your dads case. His was a relatively sudden onset and deterioration, if he had a DNR in place he would [hopefully] have had His wishes honoured. Anyone undergoing assisted dying is going to need all sorts of assessments and counselling.

However the one question I would ask you is … had you told your dad everything leading up to his cardiac arrest you’d wanted to say to him? or did that extra time give you and the rest of his family and loved ones time to say their last words? That he was able to hear and acknowledge. Hard as it is seeing him as you did don’t underestimate how important that process is.

Finally we are going to need to think about funding. Crass perhaps but the reality is the NHS has a finite pot of money to spend and we’re going to expect this to come from that NHS budget - that’s our healthcare system. There will be an army of professionals involved before anyone is even permitted to go ahead with this. Should the NHS prioritise assisted dying over some new quality of life preserving drug or treatment? Or should we ring fence the NHS as it is now? Fundamentally you’re changing its ethos if this came in to law and that should not be done lightly.
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It does not have to be as complicated as ou make it in lots of cases.
Anee sane adult with all their senses should be given the option.
 
I look at this one way, if I was in the situation I would want my family or the doctors to assist in ending my life or turn off a resperator or DNR if I died.

My life, my choice, if you are in favour then you should be able to have a card similar to a donor one that makes it plain to all your wishes if you are at a point where you cannot convey them yourself
 
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urban genie said:
I look at this one way, if I was in the situation I would want my family or the doctors to assist in ending my life or turn off a resperator or DNR if I died.

My life, my choice, if you are in favour then you should be able to have a card similar to a donor one that makes it plain to all your wishes if you are at a point where you cannot convey them yourself
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Exactly - simple solution of sorts (although maybe the card is open to being fabricated but I the overall point of it).........
 
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