Assisted dying

[metalblue]

Would have loved the option for my brother , recently died of terminal cancer and the last few weeks were undignified and unnecessary suffering . He went full circle from baby , adulthood to in effect baby . Have pads changed and being fed / watered . The poor bastards with the onset of dementia knowing they have potentially years of deterioration should have a say if they want to live that way . Obviously open to abuse the process but should be out there

Sorry to read that mate. Some diseases can bring about quite horrific deaths - almost always worse for those left behind.

 

[metalblue]

Within a generation this will be the way we manage the costs of end of life care and get the next generation on the property ladder.

Already sorted. Reeves is hoping for “pensioner warm games”. Like hunger games but they fight to the death for a piece of coal.

 

[5 Hit Gibbon]

Having been through end of life care with my mum, who died last week, and previously my dad 8 years ago, I'm in favour. They both went through unnecessary suffering.

 

[kaz7]

I dont understand the arguement that nurses would feel they have failed in their job if someone chooses to die, what right would they have to say to someone with mnd or a painful cancer that cant be controlled , that they cant die , diseases have evolved and the pain can be beyond morphine , etc

There are conditions that mean you slowly suffocate or are wearing nappies and shitting the bed, just why make them suffer , as an ex nurse i feel you give people a good death , it is the last thing you can do for them. I hope this is in law soon

 

[kaz7]

Having been through end of life care with my mum, who died last week, and previously my dad 8 years ago, I'm in favour. They both went through unnecessary suffering.

Sorry for you loss x

 

[metalblue]

Having been through end of life care with my mum, who died last week, and previously my dad 8 years ago, I'm in favour. They both went through unnecessary suffering.

Sorry for your losses, I hope you said all you had to say to your mum blue.

They should not have suffered unnecessarily and we should not permit this simply on the basis of poor healthcare. One issue that comes up often is EoL patients are “care deprioritised” within the hospital setting as staff have a tendency to prioritise patients who will recover.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I've seen several people die from terminal illness and I think there is already a level of tacit assistance in terms of food reduction and increase in opiates. Not a criticism btw. In all these cases it seemed to me that the patients had decided they'd had enough.

 

[kaz7]

I've seen several people die from terminal illness and I think there is already a level of tacit assistance in terms of food reduction and increase in opiates. Not a criticism btw. In all these cases it seemed to me that the patients had decided they'd had enough.

This is how we treated terminal illness back when i was a nurse . No person should have food and fluids taken away , you are literal!y starving the person to death , just how the fuck can you do that to someone . Also giving enough morphine to keep them out of it serves what purpose , so the family can sit by the bed and stare at them, seriously selfish

I feel very strongly about this as i have had twenty years watching patients die of all sorts and i have lost my dad, brother and mum to cancer , i was a young nurse giving my dad morphine injections as we had him at home , if he had been able to he would have told mum and i to get fucked

 

[metalblue]

I dont understand the arguement that nurses would feel they have failed in their job if someone chooses to die, what right would they have to say to someone with mnd or a painful cancer that cant be controlled , that they cant die , diseases have evolved and the pain can be beyond morphine , etc

There are conditions that mean you slowly suffocate or are wearing nappies and shitting the bed, just why make them suffer , as an ex nurse i feel you give people a good death , it is the last thing you can do for them. I hope this is in law soon

All pain can be controlled. It’s a question of how sedated the patient has to be and if that offers any quality of life. As I said previously there is a point in some disease trajectories when death is probably in the patients interest - but this will be the exception not the norm - and I see that if this legislation is passed it will only be available in very limited scenarios and at a single centre in the country. Any notion we may have of someone being helped along their way in their last couple of weeks because of a sudden deterioration feels highly unlikely.

I suppose the “failure” part depends on what areas people specialise in and the passion they have for it. Mrs MB had 8 years as a palliative care CNS and loved doing what she did - PC is centred on one principle and that is to neither hasten nor delay death. Problems can of course arise if it is a late referral to the specialism or poor nursing from your SPC nurse. You give a good PC CNS enough time and you’ll be symptom controlled, anything else she would see as her failing her patient and their families.

 

[urban genie]

Within a generation this will be the way we manage the costs of end of life care and get the next generation on the property ladder.

logans run... right?