Assisted dying

stonerblue said:
Some real tripe being spouted in the media today.
The god-botherers and clueless all whinging about the 'vulnerable' being 'pressured' into ending their lifes.
Well if someone feels that they don't want to 'burden' others surely that is a valid reason and their personal decision?
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The 21st century and people still believe in a mythical being and how he would disapprove!
 
stonerblue said:
Some real tripe being spouted in the media today.
The god-botherers and clueless all whinging about the 'vulnerable' being 'pressured' into ending their lifes.
Well if someone feels that they don't want to 'burden' others surely that is a valid reason and their personal decision?
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Kruger is an anti-abortion God botherer

 
What frightens me is the Canadian model of this, introduced in 2016.
Apparently they are now allowing/thinking of introducing (not sure which) allowing mentally ill people to apply for assisted dying.
An expansion of sorts.

That really worries me :-(
 
mackenzie said:
What frightens me is the Canadian model of this, introduced in 2016.
Apparently they are now allowing/thinking of introducing (not sure which) allowing mentally ill people to apply for assisted dying.
An expansion of sorts.

That really worries me :-(.
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It worries me as well
I don’t know the first thing about mental illness the criteria in Canada is they
“must have a serious illness, disease or disability”
“Be in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed, experience unbearable physical or mental suffering from your illness, disease, disability or state of decline that cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable”

Only experts in the mental health field could possibly rule on irreversible mental decline or even know if it exists. If it’s (a cry for help) we don’t have enough mental health appointments in the UK we are failing patients with years waiting for an appointment.
 
mackenzie said:
What frightens me is the Canadian model of this, introduced in 2016.
Apparently they are now allowing/thinking of introducing (not sure which) allowing mentally ill people to apply for assisted dying.
An expansion of sorts.

That really worries me :-(
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I have just googled Canada assisted dying and the first 2 'top stories' are negative sky news pieces.
Canada has a very robust and grown up attitude to AD.
The bill to allow mental health solely as a reason for AD has been delayed until at least 2027.https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
 
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Dignity in dying my own personal view. Comments welcome one.

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Kirkstall Blue said:
It worries me as well
I don’t know the first thing about mental illness the criteria in Canada is they
“must have a serious illness, disease or disability”
“Be in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed, experience unbearable physical or mental suffering from your illness, disease, disability or state of decline that cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable”

Only experts in the mental health field could possibly rule on irreversible mental decline or even know if it exists. If it’s (a cry for help) we don’t have enough mental health appointments in the UK we are failing patients with years waiting for an appointment.
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The safeguards proposed in this country would mean that two separate professionals would have to approve their request and then a high court judge approve it. If they hadn't been seen by the required professionals or there were any doubts it wouldn't be sanctioned. This isn't going to lead to a mass culling of people, it's simply allowing a more humane end to people who will otherwise suffer or simply do not wish to prolong their life because of the impending pain and suffering.
 
I’m not hugely invested in AD as an issue but the mechanics of getting 2 professionals (doctors I presume) and a judge to sign something will be interesting to observe. That in itself will likely lead to a more streamlined application procedure which could make it less of a checks and balances and more of a tick box exercise.
 
Pedestrian said:
I’m not hugely invested in AD as an issue but the mechanics of getting 2 professionals (doctors I presume) and a judge to sign something will be interesting to observe. That in itself will likely lead to a more streamlined application procedure which could make it less of a checks and balances and more of a tick box exercise.
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Checks and balances for who?
I don't understand why a completely sane adult cannot be allowed to decide for themselves when, where and how they end their life?
 
This will probably fail, like the AV vote. Think it’s too specific.

It might be easier to vote on the concept of Assisted Death and if that passes, the terms and conditions can be added bit by bit.
 
mosssideblue said:
Totally agree this vote should go to the country not MPs
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It really should given as we all die , cancer is 1 in 2 people now , there is no pallative care to help everyone anymore . Total postcode lottery and if you die at home you are not getting it to the level of a hospice , i am so mad that this is not being put to the people , 400 ish cowards who do nothing for any of us unless it suits them, making such a big decision
 
stonerblue said:
I have just googled Canada assisted dying and the first 2 'top stories' are negative sky news pieces.
Canada has a very robust and grown up attitude to AD.
The bill to allow mental health solely as a reason for AD has been delayed until at least 2027.https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
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I don't care if it has been pushed back to 2027. My point is that it shouldn't even being considered for mental illness.
The Canadian guy interviewed (who has suffered from the roller coaster that is severe depression for over 30 years) had it spot on (and he should know);
if you are going through a mental crisis the last thing you need is someone in a white coat asking "you want some help with that?"
As in help to die.

I recognize it's a completely different issue from your wife and others, and I truly sympathise with those situations. Must be bloody awful for all concerned.

All I'm saying is that in Canada they seem to have/want to expand it into very grey territory.

My uncle lives in Canada, and has depression. Probably a touch of dementia too. But I'd hate to think he was helped to end his life because his depression allowed him to voice it.
 
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