Assisted dying

[stonerblue]

I do wonder how any kind of legally assisted suicide law would work with neurodivergent people and their wishes. That article made me sad for her partner. But if you love someone so much you respect their wishes over yours.

I support a euthanasia law as long as the whole process is 100% safeguarded.

I can tell you now, as the partner of someone planning to end her own life, that the worst part is seeing her degenerate into a shell of a person day by day by day.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The thing with a DNR is you’re already dead. It’s not at all comparable to killing someone.

To prolong life sometimes leaves people worse off than before.
Thinking of my Dad who had a cardiac arrest in Tameside hospital he was revived with the crash team but he couldn’t breathe and needed oxygen. We was all distraught and in the end I didn’t want him to suffer anymore three months he lasted like that We brought him home and it was great to have him back but that turned into me being selfish watching him suffer

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

I can tell you now, as the partner of someone planning to end her own life, that the worst part is seeing her degenerate into a shell of a person day by day by day.

That’s tough on you both Stoner the hardest thing in the world is watching a loved one suffer

 

[stonerblue]

That’s tough on you both Stoner the hardest thing in the world is watching a loved one suffer

Yeah it's shit mate. But we keep going and do manage to get some enjoyment out of life now and again.

 

[metalblue]

To prolong life sometimes leaves people worse off than before.
Thinking of my Dad who had a cardiac arrest in Tameside hospital he was revived with the crash team but he couldn’t breathe and needed oxygen. We was all distraught and in the end I didn’t want him to suffer anymore three months he lasted like that We brought him home and it was great to have him back but that turned into me being selfish watching him suffer

Sorry for what you all went through, death is always harder on the living,

Practically though there is zero chance assisted dying would have been used in your dads case. His was a relatively sudden onset and deterioration, if he had a DNR in place he would [hopefully] have had His wishes honoured. Anyone undergoing assisted dying is going to need all sorts of assessments and counselling.

However the one question I would ask you is … had you told your dad everything leading up to his cardiac arrest you’d wanted to say to him? or did that extra time give you and the rest of his family and loved ones time to say their last words? That he was able to hear and acknowledge. Hard as it is seeing him as you did don’t underestimate how important that process is.

Finally we are going to need to think about funding. Crass perhaps but the reality is the NHS has a finite pot of money to spend and we’re going to expect this to come from that NHS budget - that’s our healthcare system. There will be an army of professionals involved before anyone is even permitted to go ahead with this. Should the NHS prioritise assisted dying over some new quality of life preserving drug or treatment? Or should we ring fence the NHS as it is now? Fundamentally you’re changing its ethos if this came in to law and that should not be done lightly.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The thing with a DNR is you’re already dead. It’s not at all comparable to killing someone.

That’s true but a DNR protects you from suffering some of the problems associated with a restarting of the heart, such as “brain damage”

A young person I know just had a new style of pacemaker which has an automatic heart shock in it, she is young with children so it will restart her heart soon as it stops. The other one is an old person with cancer and other health issues that’s when your just restarting a life already well lived, so you opt out of anymore pain

There is a vote on assisted dying in the house I do hope it’s passed something has to be done for people suffering unbearable pain particularly those languishing in a care home with no prospect of a quality of life. Of course you need the evidence and they want to die.

 

[stonerblue]

Sorry for what you all went through, death is always harder on the living,

Practically though there is zero chance assisted dying would have been used in your dads case. His was a relatively sudden onset and deterioration, if he had a DNR in place he would [hopefully] have had His wishes honoured. Anyone undergoing assisted dying is going to need all sorts of assessments and counselling.

However the one question I would ask you is … had you told your dad everything leading up to his cardiac arrest you’d wanted to say to him? or did that extra time give you and the rest of his family and loved ones time to say their last words? That he was able to hear and acknowledge. Hard as it is seeing him as you did don’t underestimate how important that process is.

Finally we are going to need to think about funding. Crass perhaps but the reality is the NHS has a finite pot of money to spend and we’re going to expect this to come from that NHS budget - that’s our healthcare system. There will be an army of professionals involved before anyone is even permitted to go ahead with this. Should the NHS prioritise assisted dying over some new quality of life preserving drug or treatment? Or should we ring fence the NHS as it is now? Fundamentally you’re changing its ethos if this came in to law and that should not be done lightly.

It does not have to be as complicated as ou make it in lots of cases.
Anee sane adult with all their senses should be given the option.

 

[urban genie]

I look at this one way, if I was in the situation I would want my family or the doctors to assist in ending my life or turn off a resperator or DNR if I died.

My life, my choice, if you are in favour then you should be able to have a card similar to a donor one that makes it plain to all your wishes if you are at a point where you cannot convey them yourself

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I look at this one way, if I was in the situation I would want my family or the doctors to assist in ending my life or turn off a resperator or DNR if I died.

My life, my choice, if you are in favour then you should be able to have a card similar to a donor one that makes it plain to all your wishes if you are at a point where you cannot convey them yourself

Exactly - simple solution of sorts (although maybe the card is open to being fabricated but I the overall point of it).........

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Plus you can register your card with the NHS, Government or whoever the governing body would be.
Proving your of sound mind a bit like a will. :)