Assisted dying

[metalblue]

We need both

Agreed. No issue with that at all. This bill isn’t it.

 

[drthingy]

I can guarantee that doesn’t happen mate.

What many people fail to understand is pain killers are addictive hence they are given sparingly. Come end of life no medical professional is considering the risks of you becoming addicted so you’ve got a whole cupboard of options to find relief from.

They’ll give you as much as you need of whatever you need.

I agree addiction fears doesn’t come into it with end of life care, but there are significant side effects when used and a definite career ending fear of being accused of (and I don’t like this term) bumping someone off with excessive painkillers.

I wouldn’t want to be the medic ending the life but would want to have the option if I was a patient given some of the deaths I have seen.

I understand the fears of a slippery slope but that is where the legislation needs to be strong.

I hope they vote the way I want but understand the concerns raised. We will find out in a few minutes.

 

[metalblue]

We don’t know how to do palliative care well enough.
Pain cannot always be managed away.

Disagree completely with that mate.

 

[drthingy]

And it’s a disgrace most hospices and their medical teams are funded by charity.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Agreed. No issue with that at all. This bill isn’t it.

This is why I wrote the other day that it needs layering.

Firstly, find out if there is enough support to believe that AD should be an option.

If that passes, then start debating the contexts.

If this fails today, it’ll no doubt be kicked into the long grass again.

 

[johnny crossan]

Bill voted in.

 

[mosssideblue]

Agreed. No issue with that at all. This bill isn’t it.

We will not agree on this bill but I’m certainly not going to fall out with any blue over it.

As much as I want to see the bill pass, I don’t think the MPs will pass it

 

[johnny crossan]

We will not agree on this bill but I’m certainly not going to fall out with any blue over it.

As much as I want to see the bill pass, I don’t think the MPs will pass it

We'll see what happens at the next stage - it has been passed by a significant majority of 55.

 

[metalblue]

The majority want to see.

How’s that worked out in the past?

 

[N1985]

Gives you the option to die with a bit of dignity rather than dying in a pool of your own shit, blood and agony.

Sounds good to me.