Assisted dying

Blue Maverick said:
I’ll be taking a shit load of pills should I get that bad, my aunty has severe dementia it’s awful, although physically fit her mind is complete jelly, if I’m down that road I’m off as well, her family are exhausted with it, I won’t put mine through that, we should be allowed in the 21st century to decide our own fate.
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Sorry to hear about your aunty, been through similar with a relative and it’s horrific. One of my best mates has just lost his mum to Alzheimers too aged 60, she’d suffered a stroke that brought it on, it’s horrible and wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

I want to ask you how it’d work in that scenario though? Surely the decision maker is the person who wishes to die and dementia sufferers aren’t in a fit state, a lot of the time, to make that decision. Obviously the family can’t just choose to end their life.

You could say that someone could sign off on assisted dying, should they make it to that state later life, when they were fit and healthier earlier in life, but what if the dementia sufferer then doesn’t understand and is relatively at peace but is a different person?

I think it’s a moral minefield. There’s definitely a strong argument for assisted dying, I just feel a bit uneasy about the whole thing.
 
hilts said:
The problem is mate its really difficult killing yourself relatively pain free without fucking it up and also having a loved one finding you is not good. Its also something you have to do all alone.
This shows that our politicians are not fit for purpose. Useless twats most of them.
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This is a good argument for it. People often have to do it in gruesome circumstances, often making other people who find them or run them over, the victims too.

I’m genuinely on the fence about it, I am for it I think, if the legislation is water tight.
 
Ban-jani said:
This is a good argument for it. People often have to do it in gruesome circumstances, often making other people who find them or run them over, the victims too.

I’m genuinely on the fence about it, I am for it I think, if the legislation is water tight.
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Its done in lots of countries around the world, around 300 million have access to it. It cant be beyond the ability of Brits to do a bit of research and copy the way other countries do it. Fucking useless in this country.
 
Ban-jani said:
Sorry to hear about your aunty, been through similar with a relative and it’s horrific. One of my best mates has just lost his mum to Alzheimers too aged 60, she’d suffered a stroke that brought it on, it’s horrible and wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

I want to ask you how it’d work in that scenario though? Surely the decision maker is the person who wishes to die and dementia sufferers aren’t in a fit state, a lot of the time, to make that decision. Obviously the family can’t just choose to end their life.

You could say that someone could sign off on assisted dying, should they make it to that state later life, when they were fit and healthier earlier in life, but what if the dementia sufferer then doesn’t understand and is relatively at peace but is a different person?

I think it’s a moral minefield. There’s definitely a strong argument for assisted dying, I just feel a bit uneasy about the whole thing.
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My point would be if I was diagnosed with it and could feel myself going it would be my choice, it doesn’t happen instantly but if they said yep your mind will be jelly soon then I’d make that decision.
 
Blue Maverick said:
My point would be if I was diagnosed with it and could feel myself going it would be my choice, it doesn’t happen instantly but if they said yep your mind will be jelly soon then I’d make that decision.
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Got you. I would say that makes a lot of sense, the difficulty might be confirmation you’re of sound mind still when you make that decision, just playing devils advocate, and whether or not they can be confident on how bad it will become. But that’s something for a case by case basis and the professionals to decide upon.
 
hilts said:
Its done in lots of countries around the world, around 300 million have access to it. It cant be beyond the ability of Brits to do a bit of research and copy the way other countries do it. Fucking useless in this country.
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We are indeed.
 
Ban-jani said:
Sorry to hear about your aunty, been through similar with a relative and it’s horrific. One of my best mates has just lost his mum to Alzheimers too aged 60, she’d suffered a stroke that brought it on, it’s horrible and wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

I want to ask you how it’d work in that scenario though? Surely the decision maker is the person who wishes to die and dementia sufferers aren’t in a fit state, a lot of the time, to make that decision. Obviously the family can’t just choose to end their life.

You could say that someone could sign off on assisted dying, should they make it to that state later life, when they were fit and healthier earlier in life, but what if the dementia sufferer then doesn’t understand and is relatively at peace but is a different person?

I think it’s a moral minefield. There’s definitely a strong argument for assisted dying, I just feel a bit uneasy about the whole thing.
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This is what they have in Canada for this situation.


Yes, a person with dementia can request Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) in Canada, but only if they have the decision-making capacity to provide consent at the time of the request.

Because dementia causes progressive cognitive decline, eligibility is challenging and often limited to early stages.

Generally, you cannot make an advance request for MAID to be provided after you lose capacity, except in limited cases with a "waiver of final consent".
 
kaz7 said:
About time this happened , having witnessed thousands of deaths i can say that some go in horrific pain and suffering , drs used to give enough morphine to keep patients sedated and it ultimately surpressed their breathing so much they die peacefully but over time that has changed and drs are not doing that , i assume because of the odd person who would look to sue them

I agree a free vote but also it needs the country to have a vote, it is that important a decision . I think every poll shows people are in favour and have been for years but the mps are shit scared to vote for it so bypass them or do both votes

If every health trust had a panel who come together to discuss individual patients , made up of drs , legal people and pallative care along with that patients gp then i can see how the checks can be made to avoid pressure and coersion on the patient involved , that is key
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My father died of lung cancer that spread through out his organs.
You accept people will die but for some unknown reason my father chose to spend his dying months at home i was 16 at the time just me and his loving wife at home trying to look after him .we had the lovely mcMillion nurses coming around but obviously can’t be there 24hr a day.
To say that had a massively negative effect on my life until nearly my 30th would be a understatement.

But if at that time he could have the option of Assistant death .
Would have been a big no no from both me and my mother.
 
PinkFinal said:
What is a 'safe death'? Mentally ill woman asks for assisted dying in Canada
www.bbc.co.uk

What is a 'safe death'? Mentally ill woman asks for assisted dying in Canada

Canada has twice delayed access to medically assisted dying for those with mental illness. Claire Brosseau says she cannot wait any longer and wants the courts to decide.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I read this PinkFinal and was going to post it.

I think she means a doctor supervised end, compared to a wish and a prayer with a gun, rope, pills etc.

I fully support assisted dying, but I draw the line at using it for mental health issues.
 
Slipper One said:
I read this PinkFinal and was going to post it.

I think she means a doctor supervised end, compared to a wish and a prayer with a gun, rope, pills etc.

I fully support assisted dying, but I draw the line at using it for mental health issues.
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The problem with allowing the government to pass a bill bringing this into law is that there will be many instances where the efficient cost effective removal of burdens on society will be helped by advocating health care professionals who will take the coin to tick the right box, anyone who has had or has seen someone go through a PIP assessment will know just how cruel medical professionals can be when they have the authority.

Maybe people can have timers embedded into their skulls that make their eyes flash when they reach a certain age?
 
As a chronically isolated autism and very severe depression victim I consider my life to be a fate much, much worse than death. Especially because there's no way out without the psychological terror of deciding to delete myself and going through with it.
I don't think the mental health crisis can be fixed and the predictions for future mental health suffering are horrific.
I think they'll be forced to legalise voluntary assisted euthanasia on mental health grounds eventually.
Probably decades after they should have done it.

 
expatblue said:
The problem with allowing the government to pass a bill bringing this into law is that there will be many instances where the efficient cost effective removal of burdens on society will be helped by advocating health care professionals who will take the coin to tick the right box, anyone who has had or has seen someone go through a PIP assessment will know just how cruel medical professionals can be when they have the authority.

Maybe people can have timers embedded into their skulls that make their eyes flash when they reach a certain age?
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Will there be?

Over here, these are the criteria (courtesy of Google).

To be eligible for Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID) in Canada as of 2026, you must be at least 18, eligible for Canadian health insurance, and mentally competent. You must have a serious, incurable illness causing intolerable suffering, and be in an advanced state of irreversible decline.
Core Eligibility Requirements
  • Age and Competence: Be 18 years of age or older and capable of making decisions regarding your health.
  • Health Insurance: Be eligible for government-funded health services in Canada.
  • Voluntary Request: Make a voluntary request not resulting from external pressure.
  • Informed Consent: Give informed consent to receive MAID after being informed of methods to relieve suffering, including palliative care.
    • Medical Condition: Have a grievous and irremediable medical condition, defined as having a serious, incurable illness, disease, or disability; being in an advanced state of irreversible decline in capability; and experiencing unbearable physical or psychological suffering that cannot be relieved under acceptable conditions.

Key Notes on 2026 Regulations
  • Mental Illness Exclusion: As of now, persons whose only medical condition is a mental illness are not eligible for MAID; this exclusion is scheduled to remain in place until March 17, 2027.
  • Foreseeability: A natural death does not need to be "reasonably foreseeable" to be eligible for MAID.
  • Process: Two independent health care professionals (doctors or nurse practitioners) must evaluate the patient to confirm all criteria are met.
  • Withdrawal: A patient can withdraw their request at any time.
 
expatblue said:
The problem with allowing the government to pass a bill bringing this into law is that there will be many instances where the efficient cost effective removal of burdens on society will be helped by advocating health care professionals who will take the coin to tick the right box, anyone who has had or has seen someone go through a PIP assessment will know just how cruel medical professionals can be when they have the authority.

Maybe people can have timers embedded into their skulls that make their eyes flash when they reach a certain age?
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Pip assessment is not done by a doctor.
Anyone who's seen a loved one slowly die from a terminal illness will know just how cruel this practice is.
 
stonerblue said:
Pip assessment is not done by a doctor.
Anyone who's seen a loved one slowly die from a terminal illness will know just how cruel this practice is.
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I didn't say that PIP assessments are done by a doctor, most people have seen a loved one die of a terminal illness it doesn't mean everyone has the same opinion.
 
expatblue said:
I didn't say that PIP assessments are done by a doctor, most people have seen a loved one die of a terminal illness it doesn't mean everyone has the same opinion.
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Ok.
Pip assessment is not done by a 'health care professional'

I don't think everyone has the same opinion. Some people seem happy to spend the last 6 months of their life getting iller until they die in pain and a puddle of their own piss.
Me, I'd like the ability to avoid this
 
stonerblue said:
Ok.
Pip assessment is not done by a 'health care professional'

I don't think everyone has the same opinion. Some people seem happy to spend the last 6 months of their life getting iller until they die in pain and a puddle of their own piss.
Me, I'd like the ability to avoid this
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Let democracy have its way with this, I still don't trust the government or government employees to be involved in decisions like this. Some of the horror stories from Canada centre around people killing themselves because of poverty.

I can't see us doing that in this country because it isn't flying.
 
expatblue said:
Let democracy have its way with this, I still don't trust the government or government employees to be involved in decisions like this. Some of the horror stories from Canada centre around people killing themselves because of poverty.

I can't see us doing that in this country because it isn't flying.
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Ha. I take it you missed the shitshow in the UK regarding the assisted dying bill?
 
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