Stand where you like, turn up and pay a pittance at the gate...Until that happens stop comparing today with yesterday. Germany seem to do a lot right for the fans, maybe having fan representation at board level, prices that mean no-one is excluded (youngsters and pensioners in particular). Charging "market prices" is classic short-termism ( think privatised monopolies ). The Kippax legend lives on, getting louder and bouncier with every telling, but but but in truth for every epic there were several duds, where individual voices could clearly be heard. Often the loudest roar was for the team emerging from the tunnel, and sometimes it drained at three-quarter time when the gates opened, especially if we were playing shite and getting rinsed...the relegation season to the old 3rd division probably the worst of all, the promotion ones the best, the "banana" era pretty amazing. King Kong arguing like fcuk with the Eiffel tower is a sight not easily forgotten... Maybe, when all those who stood on the Kippax are brown bread, those who missed it will accept the atmosphere at the Etihad for what it is, a modern stadium with a middle-class crowd, with corporate and tourists in numbers. Today's football, in fact