Attacks in Paris

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you can do all this without religion
Course you can but thinking you can just say no religion is just pointless and even if you could it wouldn't stop some people using murder and terrorism to get there own way.
 
fucking ALL religion off will be a good starting point
The human race is still evolving, we've come a long way but we've still got a long way to go, and the fact that we can commit acts like those in Paris yesterday prove it. In a thousand years time historians will look back on this period of human history with a mixture of bemusement and disbelief. By then the fact that individuals believe there's a god and this god condones the murder of innocent people will seem as ridiculous to them as witch burning and slavery seem to us.
 
Three teams of attackers were involved in the assault on Paris, in which 129 people have been killed and more than 350 injured, the Paris prosecutor says.

"We have to find out where they came from... and how they were financed," Francois Molins told reporters.

He said there were seven attackers, not eight as reported earlier, all heavily armed and wearing explosive belts.

The attacks on Friday night hit a concert hall, a major sports stadium, restaurants and bars.

Mr Molins also said the arrests of three men in Brussels on Saturday were linked to the attacks.
 
All religions do good, from feeding and clothing the poor to offering an ear to the bereaved.
It's when you get extremes then you have a problem.
you can do all this without religion
Some would say (not me I hasten to add but Dostoevsky) that if God does not exist then there is no virtue so why bother? From the atheist point of view morality is a man made construct simply followed to aid the species' survival and there would be little justification for altruism. Genocide could well be the preferred route to preserve access to resources or, like the Nazis, to purify the gene pool.
 
Maybe they have cctv footage taken around the area of the shooting that places the holder of that passport at the scene.
He was processed on Leros on 5th October, photo and fingerprints after that it would be easy for the French to identify him, he obviously didn't give a shit who knew who he was as he was a willing Jihadi
 
I'm loving the irony of an anti-Muslim sentiment on the same page everybody is super concerned that Billy is ok.

You really get off on misrepresenting people's views that much?

So intellectually dishonest, just the usual type of attempt from your corner to paint an easily dismissible caricature of anyone who reflects on the role Islam has to play in attacks like these, and the ideology that motivates them, as a bigot.

You'll have to highlight said anti Muslim sentiment for me, because what I read was people who were reflecting on the role Islam plays in these attacks, rather than glossing over this uncomfortable truth. An important distinction to make.

No one cares if Billy is Muslim, it's irrelevant. We wish him well. No one has any hate for ordinary individual Muslims. It isn't bigotry to run a critical eye over Islam as a faith, especially when there are people being motivated to heinous acts via interpretations of Islam's holy book.

The hostility though, is being reserved for Islamism, which I'd assume Billy doesn't identify with.

You know, the ideology that's killing thousands upon thousands of other Muslims in the Arab world, as well as those French civilians from last night?

You not think it's time people reflected on this in an effort to end the violence? To find a solution to it?

All I see is people like you so desperate to take this discussion away from the relevant stuff, and to drag it into a bigots vs non bigots. To conflate any criticism of Islam as bigotry against Muslims as individuals.

It's a good thing to want to protect Muslims from genuine bigots, but you shouldn't use that to condemn well intentioned critical analysis of the role faith plays in these attacks.

People want solutions, and they all want to starve the Islamists of oxygen. I assume you do also?

By being so quick to cocoon this topic, of interpreting all reflection on the role faith plays in the violence, you're not just shielding ordinary Muslims, you're sheilding the Islamists and the terrorists themselves.

You are a gift to these people, as you shut down any critical, well intentioned, discussion on it down in a belief that such criticism could only be motivated by bigotry.

Islamists are thriving at present, and the shield of 'Islamophobia' is protecting them from mainstream criticism.

As I said, it's a good thing to want to stand up for ordinary Muslims, but it's about time people like yourself came around the table and joined the discussion. As it's a discussion we as a society need to have, and it's a discussion that needs to be led by ordinary Muslims like Billy.
 
Some would say (not me I hasten to add but Dostoevsky) that if God does not exist then there is no virtue so why bother? From the atheist point of view morality is a man made construct simply followed to aid the species' survival and there would be little justification for altruism. Genocide could well be the preferred route to preserve access to resources or, like the Nazis, to purify the gene pool.

Well that may be the looking back in history/moral relativism bullshit. You can be Atheist and have intelligent morals and values. Ethical naturalism for example.

Religion is a dead subject for a lot of people.. it isn't an answer to man's problems.. I admit Genocide is 'allowable in some sort of ridiculous utilitarian-knowing-the future-sense.. but it's all delusionary. Another subject altogether, but religion is gonna die, and it'll either be nihilism or intelligent atheistic values that prevail..
 
You really get off on misrepresenting people's views that much?

So intellectually dishonest, just the usual type of attempt from your corner to paint an easily dismissible caricature of anyone who reflects on the role Islam has to play in attacks like these, and the ideology that motivates them, as a bigot.

You'll have to highlight said anti Muslim sentiment for me, because what I read was people who were reflecting on the role Islam plays in these attacks, rather than glossing over this uncomfortable truth. An important distinction to make.

No one cares if Billy is Muslim, it's irrelevant. We wish him well. No one has any hate for ordinary individual Muslims. It isn't bigotry to run a critical eye over Islam as a faith, especially when there are people being motivated to heinous acts via interpretations of Islam's holy book.

The hostility though, is being reserved for Islamism, which I'd assume Billy doesn't identify with.

You know, the ideology that's killing thousands upon thousands of other Muslims in the Arab world, as well as those French civilians from last night?

You not think it's time people reflected on this in an effort to end the violence? To find a solution to it?

All I see is people like you so desperate to take this discussion away from the relevant stuff, and to drag it into a bigots vs non bigots. To conflate any criticism of Islam as bigotry against Muslims as individuals.

It's a good thing to want to protect Muslims from genuine bigots, but you shouldn't use that to condemn well intentioned critical analysis of the role faith plays in these attacks.

People want solutions, and they all want to starve the Islamists of oxygen. I assume you do also?

By being so quick to cocoon this topic, of interpreting all reflection on the role faith plays in the violence, you're not just shielding ordinary Muslims, you're sheilding the Islamists and the terrorists themselves.

You are a gift to these people, as you shut down any critical, well intentioned, discussion on it down in a belief that such criticism could only be motivated by bigotry.

Islamists are thriving at present, and the shield of 'Islamophobia' is protecting them from mainstream criticism.

As I said, it's a good thing to want to stand up for ordinary Muslims, but it's about time people like yourself came around the table and joined the discussion. As it's a discussion we as a society need to have, and it's a discussion that needs to be led by ordinary Muslims like Billy.

Hear hear!
 

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