Attacks in Paris

bluethrunthru said:
I have watched an awful lot of CCTV footage in my line of work. You may have seen an awful lot from last night. Do you think you could clearly id someone off that and a copy of a passport photo side by side? In my experience its extremely hard to do that in broad daylight with good close ups most of what we have is dark, grainy and not very clear so I doubt it.

The French say so far they have 1 x Frenchman from Paris positively identified and 3 x Belgians a probables - these being 4 of the 7 ( down graded from 8 ) perpetrators. I am not saying that at the end of it they won't find these people won't have been to Syria or elsewhere to train but like as not they will have done so on their own passports using normal airlines.

Yoo many Johnny English's on here playing amateur spy - if you could work it out within 24 hours off bits from the TV why would we need security services?
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Don't forget the witnesses who escaped too. They may be shown photos of suspects.
The fact that they have put this out there suggests they are convinced of his identity
 
hgblue said:
You have a depressingly low opinion of human nature. If you are doing good deeds because you fear burning in hell I'd question whether you're actually a good person. Most people are perfectly capable of understanding right and wrong, and behaving accordingly, without trying to curry favour with some vengeful deity.
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I don't doubt that if the existence of God was obvious following His moral instructions would have no merit. It's never been like that though has it? I don't know for sure but from what I know of the evidence of history it seems that ethical debate has always been lively.
 
RichardDunneOwnGoal said:
You really get off on misrepresenting people's views that much?

So intellectually dishonest, just the usual type of attempt from your corner to paint an easily dismissible caricature of anyone who reflects on the role Islam has to play in attacks like these, and the ideology that motivates them, as a bigot.

You'll have to highlight said anti Muslim sentiment for me, because what I read was people who were reflecting on the role Islam plays in these attacks, rather than glossing over this uncomfortable truth. An important distinction to make.

No one cares if Billy is Muslim, it's irrelevant. We wish him well. No one has any hate for ordinary individual Muslims. It isn't bigotry to run a critical eye over Islam as a faith, especially when there are people being motivated to heinous acts via interpretations of Islam's holy book.

The hostility though, is being reserved for Islamism, which I'd assume Billy doesn't identify with.

You know, the ideology that's killing thousands upon thousands of other Muslims in the Arab world, as well as those French civilians from last night?

You not think it's time people reflected on this in an effort to end the violence? To find a solution to it?

All I see is people like you so desperate to take this discussion away from the relevant stuff, and to drag it into a bigots vs non bigots. To conflate any criticism of Islam as bigotry against Muslims as individuals.

It's a good thing to want to protect Muslims from genuine bigots, but you shouldn't use that to condemn well intentioned critical analysis of the role faith plays in these attacks.

People want solutions, and they all want to starve the Islamists of oxygen. I assume you do also?

By being so quick to cocoon this topic, of interpreting all reflection on the role faith plays in the violence, you're not just shielding ordinary Muslims, you're sheilding the Islamists and the terrorists themselves.

You are a gift to these people, as you shut down any critical, well intentioned, discussion on it down in a belief that such criticism could only be motivated by bigotry.

Islamists are thriving at present, and the shield of 'Islamophobia' is protecting them from mainstream criticism.

As I said, it's a good thing to want to stand up for ordinary Muslims, but it's about time people like yourself came around the table and joined the discussion. As it's a discussion we as a society need to have, and it's a discussion that needs to be led by ordinary Muslims like Billy.
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Very well put.
 
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