Attacks in Paris

[big blue balls]

The same Quran that says No one should be forced to believe in Islam “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256) Like all holy books it is multiple choice so your reliance on the Quran would explain your confusion.

You have no idea what ISIS are thinking. Neither do i but they are talking to someone.

That Quorn makes shit shepherd pie, bland as fuck

 

[whp.blue]

The same Quran that says No one should be forced to believe in Islam “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256) Like all holy books it is multiple choice so your reliance on the Quran would explain your confusion.

You have no idea what ISIS are thinking. Neither do i but they are talking to someone.

This may help to show why I may be confused by quotes from the Quran

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)

This is one of the passages that are seen as the way forward for Muslim domination

and no other religion is to be tolerated

 

[cleavers]

Can we stop attacking other posters, if you don't agree with them, argue your points, but stop posting simply to get a rise.

Its an emotive subject, but no need for personal stuff.

 

[DelToro]

There we have it, the first member of BM saying lets negotiate! Buffoon.

Because the West has never negotiated with terrorists or regimes that sponsor terrorism has it?

 

[Sir peace frog]

Can we stop attacking other posters, if you don't agree with them, argue your points, but stop posting simply to get a rise.

Its an emotive subject, but no need for personal stuff.

be quiet you big eared twat :)

 

[KenTheLandlord]

This may help to show why I may be confused by quotes from the Quran

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran)

This is one of the passages that are seen as the way forward for Muslim domination

and no other religion is to be tolerated

Which is why i said it is a like all holy books and a multiple choice of what you want to believe in and why confusion will arise. As in everyone can point to a different bit to promote their aims.

 

[George Hannah]

There is a song sung in the UK called God Save the queen. Does that make all Brits christian and supporters of the queen or is it a rallying call to attract people to try and support the way of life they want. Namely God queen and country when the overwhelming majority of people clearly do not support ALL three?

It doesn't follow logically of course but as a matter of fact currently they do. About two thirds for God and Crown anyway, not sure about country but the percentage of the nation as a whole against Scottish independence was about 80% it's claimed.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Because the West has never negotiated with terrorists or regimes that sponsor terrorism has it?

There was an interesting talk about some research on recent wars.

Understanding non-state armed groups is key to solving most ongoing conflict, because war has changed. It used to be a contest between states. No longer. It is now a conflict between states and non-state actors. For example, of the 216 peace agreements signed between 1975 and 2011, 196 of them were between a state and a non-state actor. So we need to understand these groups; we need to either engage them or defeat them in any conflict resolution process that has to be successful.

So how do we do that? We need to know what makes these organizations tick. We know a lot about how they fight, why they fight, but no one looks at what they're doing when they're not fighting. Yet, armed struggle and unarmed politics are related. It is all part of the same organization. We cannot understand these groups, let alone defeat them, if we don't have the full picture.

And armed groups today are complex organizations. Take the Lebanese Hezbollah, known for its violent confrontation against Israel. But since its creation in the early 1980s, Hezbollah has also set up a political party, a social-service network, and a military apparatus. Similarly, the Palestinian Hamas, known for its suicide attacks against Israel, also runs the Gaza Strip since 2007. So these groups do way more than just shoot. They multi-task. They set up complex communication machines -- radio stations, TV channels, Internet websites and social media strategies. An ISIS magazine, printed in English and published to recruit. Armed groups also invest in complex fund-raising -- not looting, but setting up profitable businesses; for example, construction companies. Now, these activities are keys. They allow these groups to increase their strength, increase their funds, to better recruit and to build their brand.

Armed groups also do something else: they build stronger bonds with the population by investing in social services. They build schools, they run hospitals, they set up vocational-training programs or micro-loan programs. Hezbollah offers all of these services and more. Armed groups also seek to win the population over by offering something that the state is not providing: safety and security. The initial rise of the Taliban in war-torn Afghanistan, or even the beginning of the ascent of ISIS, can be understood also by looking at these groups' efforts to provide security. Now, unfortunately, in these cases, the provision of security came at an unbearably high price for the population. But in general, providing social services fills a gap, a governance gap left by the government, and allows these groups to increase their strengthand their power. For example, the 2006 electoral victory of the Palestinian Hamas cannot be understood without acknowledging the group's social work.

This is a really complex picture, yet in the West, when we look at armed groups, we only think of the violent side. But that's not enough to understand these groups' strength, strategy or long-term vision.These groups are hybrid. They rise because they fill a gap left by the government, and they emerge to be both armed and political, engage in violent struggle and provide governance.

And the more these organizations are complex and sophisticated, the less we can think of them as the opposite of a state. Now, what do you call a group like Hezbollah? They run part of a territory, they administer all their functions, they pick up the garbage, they run the sewage system. Is this a state? Is it a rebel group? Or maybe something else, something different and new? And what about ISIS? The lines are blurred. We live in a world of states, non-states, and in-between, and the more states are weak, like in the Middle East today, the more non-state actors step in and fill that gap. This matters for governments, because to counter these groups, they will have to invest more in non-military tools. Filling that governance gap has to be at the center of any sustainable approach. This also matters very much for peacemaking and peacebuilding. If we better understand armed groups, we will better know what incentives to offer to encourage the transition from violence to nonviolence.

So in this new contest between states and non-states, military power can win some battles, but it will not give us peace nor stability. To achieve these objectives, what we need is a long-term investment in filling that security gap, in filling that governance gap that allowed these groups to thrive in the first place.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

you keep saying they are talking to people but you never seem to want to actually state who they are talking to
is that also a guess? or do you actually have any facts to back that up?

Here is who they are talking to:
Ansar Bait al-Maqdis
Ansar al-Sharia in Yemen
Boko Haram
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Ansar al-Sharia in Libya
Isnilon Totoni Hapilon

amongst others.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

It doesn't follow logically of course but as a matter of fact currently they do. About two thirds for God and Crown anyway, not sure about country but the percentage of the nation as a whole against Scottish independence was about 80% it's claimed.

However, in a poll conducted by YouGov in March 2011 on behalf of the BHA, when asked the census question ‘What is your religion?’, 61% of people in England and Wales ticked a religious box (53.48% Christian and 7.22% other) while 39% ticked ‘No religion’. When the same sample was asked the follow-up question ‘Are you religious?’, only 29% of the same people said ‘Yes’ while 65% said ‘No’, meaning over half of those whom the census would count as having a religion said they were not religious.

Half the Muslims in England and Wales were born there and almost three-quarters (73%) identify themselves as British. Two-thirds of Muslims are ethnically Asian and 8% are white.
The analysis, which aims to provide a comprehensive picture of Muslim demographics in England and Wales, is the first of its kind. It was made possible because 92% of respondents completed a voluntary question on religion in the 2011 census. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/11/muslim-population-england-wales-nearly-doubles-10-years

It is indeed all blurred lines.