Attacks in Paris

[Two Gun Bob]

I read all these posts last night until dawns early light
My thoughts are that Isis cannot be stopped but they can be curbed by military might and force.
We have the absolute right to self defence.
The sleeper cells are already here and waiting and that is no knee jerk reaction.
The time for debate must surely be at an end

It is paramount that we strengthen our border controls further
But I fear the horse in that respect has already bolted.
I care not what religion they are or what agenda they have in place !
Only for their total eradication as they are a disgrace to human kind and all that is decent in this fine world of ours
I admire Putin for having the courage to stand up to this warped menace that so threatens our country and it's citizens

We must continue to live our life's as normally as possible otherwise the very act of their terror by definition has served it's purpose
Sadly the time for firm action has arrived.
I place our safety in the hands of our amazing security services

Respect to the fallen in this latest atrocity

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but why on earth do people of a certain warped mentality not just leave countries of western values and take themselves to countries that best represent their ideas of paradise and live out their lives there? Saudi Arabia would be a good starting point for them I would think.

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

The Muslims I know are decent people, you're just a bigot.

The Muslims you know are more than likely decent people..just not decent Muslims..if they were to take their religion seriously they would be doing the same as those in Paris..as the Quran demands it

In reality..they should not even be mixing with you as an unbeliever

In fact all Muslims in the UK are by their very presence here not good Muslims..as they should according to their own religion seek to live in an Islamic country

I am not a bigot..I'm just an intelligent observer

This is not about race..or what country you're from..this is about the real elephant in the room..religious fundamentalism fuelled by the Quran

It cannot be disputed

 

[IWasHere]

 

[Blumers Bloomers]

Just read that one of the bombers at Stade de France is thought to have been 15 years old. What on earth.

Working on the assumption that some of the police/special forces who stormed the theatre won't have made it out alive following the explosions. Dreadful.

 

[TCIB]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but why on earth do people of a certain warped mentality not just leave countries of western values and take themselves to countries that best represent their ideas of paradise and live out their lives there? Saudi Arabia would be a good starting point for them I would think.

All of these islamic terrorist groups have the goal of creating a worldwide caliphate under shari'a law. All of these groups have expressed this wish openly.

As for why it is to help recruit all muslims essentially. They believe that if they make a world wide caliphate then all muslims will follow their lead then.
It would also allow them to get rid of those who do not bow to them and their wills and demands i.e. non muslims and those who will not convert specifically.

 

[big blue balls]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but why on earth do people of a certain warped mentality not just leave countries of western values and take themselves to countries that best represent their ideas of paradise and live out their lives there? Saudi Arabia would be a good starting point for them I would think.

Because they want to impose their warped ideas onto the rest of the world

 

[urban genie]

ISIL were on their arse in 2007/8 (or ISI as they were then) in total colapse they should have been finished off then, instead they were left as a minor insurgent group for the iraqi's to deal with what did they do? Recruit some of sadams best colonels and senior baathist soldiers (who many would have been through the extreme baathist salafia programe) this means they now have a highly educated and seasoned soldiers as major leaders in their warped cult, and that what it is, a cult. Unfortunately to them this is a war and one they won't give up on.

I don't normally agree with intervention in other countries and bombing the shit out of people, but these animals need to be defeated by any means, but not only as an armed strugle, but through education, negotiation with Assad and co-operation as nations.

This sick cult, though should not be able, or allowed to be used as an excuse for intolerance in our society towards others

 

[George Hannah]

Just read that one of the bombers at Stade de France is thought to have been 15 years old. What on earth...

I wonder if he was a computer game player? I've only seen the ads on TV but many seem to focus on violence in the streets, bombings, drive-by shootings and the like.

 

[whp.blue]

Brevik killed nearly as many in the name of the white man, the right and Christianity do we punish them for that. We need in many ways do what Thatcher wanted to do for the IRA strip them of nationalism and Catholicism and make them what they are which is murderers. If we treated Terrorists as sociopaths, gangsters and criminals , didn't give them the moniker and fame they craved they would be treated as they are Religion is a great excuse when you are a sociopath or someone who thinks it's clever to kill an excuse that has been used for Millenia.

I do not dispute Brevik was a total nutter but He is an Isolated case where as murders carried out in the name of Islam is actually a daily occurrence and if we keep making excuses and fail to address the really difficult questions regarding extremists things will never improve.
If we lock away these extremists we need to stop them associating with like minded people whilst inside and deny them access to the religion that they draw their sick conclusions from. if this means keeping these people in solitary then so be. On the outside if a mosque / church is found to have been used to preach hate then close it down and demolish it.
Deny the owners of the mosque or church any compensation for there loss. if that doesn't work then stop / ban the teaching of all religions in schools. Make Britain secular and actively discourage religious practices in all forms.