Attacks in Paris

The perfect fumble said:
Jesus Christ! You've got more chance of being hit by a flying saucer!

Alert yes, but ape shit run for hills? I think not.
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I don't have the first clue how to deal with it, and I certainly never mentioned anything about running for the hills in my post.

I've only said I believe attacks like the ones in Paris will start coming thick and fast all over the place. Unfortunately Britain will be included. That in itself is scary or at the very least emanates a feeling of uneasiness.

Run for the hills? No.
Feel intimidated? Yes.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I don't have the first clue how to deal with it, and I certainly never mentioned anything about running for the hills in my post.

I've only said I believe attacks like the ones in Paris will start coming thick and fast all over the place. Unfortunately Britain will be included. That in itself is scary or at the very least emanates a feeling of uneasiness.

Run for the hills? No.
Feel intimidated? Yes.
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I think you are right about the intimidation from the threat level.

One kid dropped off a boat onto a beach with an AK47 in Morocco caused mayhem. Eight guys in a well planned raid caused even worse. Go back to the Mumbai attacks - like a bloody commando raid and were devastating. They don't need many people and against unprotected targets in cities we are very vulnerable. And the last bit to put the willies up us is unlike say the IRA in the 80's these bastards set out on their mission with every intention of not coming back.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Belgium v Spain called off amid security fears after the Paris attacks.
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The bit I don't get about the Stade de France attacks was why weren't they in there with the crowd if they wanted maximum carnage? It seemed a well planned raid could they not get tickets and go in wearing their vest bombs or was there airport style x-ray machines on the turnstiles? I mean it seems a bit lame to blow yourself up outside at the gates with almost no-one around? They surely didn't think the 3 of them could storm the stadium and get to Hollande did they???
 
bluethrunthru said:
The bit I don't get about the Stade de France attacks was why weren't they in there with the crowd if they wanted maximum carnage? It seemed a well planned raid could they not get tickets and go in wearing their vest bombs or was there airport style x-ray machines on the turnstiles? I mean it seems a bit lame to blow yourself up outside at the gates with almost no-one around? They surely didn't think the 3 of them could storm the stadium and get to Hollande did they???
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From what I've read they had tickets. They got turned back by a routine security check at which time they backed off. Then blew themselves up, killing one member of the public in total from this attack (plus themzelves). Apologies if that's wrong, but it seems their intention was to detonate from inside the stadium.

The security guard who searched him and managed to stay alive himself is a fucking hero, imo. (If my info is correct).
 
To put things another way, if you say you're not in the slightest scared or intimidated by the current threat then in my book you're either a liar or brave as fuck.

I'm not ashamed in the slightest to admit my insecurities in that respect. I'd be surprised if a good chunk of the population didn't share such feelings.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
To put things another way, if you say you're not in the slightest scared or intimidated by the current threat then in my book you're either a liar or brave as fuck.

I'm not ashamed in the slightest to admit my insecurities in that respect. I'd be surprised if a good chunk of the population didn't share such feelings.
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I don't feel it and nobody I know does, I'm not posting to stir it up, I'm neither a liar or brave as fuck, but I don't buy in to this.
 
Ill be honest I'm scared as fuck. Even contemplating not going to the game on Saturday, fuck :(
 
Here's another long but very interesting piece on the nature of ISIS and their beliefs. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Basically it says:
  • They offer a strict interpretation of the Koran so saying "they are not true Muslims" is far from the truth. The whole point is that no one can say hat they are doing is un-Islamic as it's all based on the Koran.
  • Unlike Al Qaeda, which can operate underground, they require territory in order to be able to implement their extreme and literal interpretation of the Koran. They have to provide a safe haven in which to implement their religious philosophy.
  • Having established that, they are likely to move on to more aggressive, expansionary acts (this was written before Paris so is very prescient). We can expect more of the same.
  • They are actively seeking a confrontation with what they call the forces of Rome. They believe this will herald the End of Days, following initial setbacks.
  • Losing their territory will be a huge blow but it's probably very unwise to put in loads of foreign troops to do that as that suits them very nicely and even gives weight to Koranic prophecies. The least bad option is a slow and steady erosion of their existing areas of control, even though that might mean further atrocities.
 
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Not scared but feel imposed upon.
Armaan said:
Ill be honest I'm scared as fuck. Even contemplating not going to the game on Saturday, fuck :(
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No harm in being scared mate, you would be insane to totally ignore it and pay no extra care to your movements and actions.
Anyone saying they will feel no extra worry being in a large public densely packed area is indeed insane or being insincere imo. It is human nature to worry about putting yourself in possible danger.
That is not scare mongering it is a real possibility and anyone arguing against that point is in denial or has a personal ideal this conflicts with.
Most of the worry will be imagined and excessive but there is more threat now. It has just been proven they can and will attack major European cities and their general population.

France has one of the largest intelligence budgets and networks going so it is not like they have been sat on their arse eating croissants.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Here's another long but very interesting piece on the nature of ISIS and their beliefs. Basically it says:
  • They offer a strict interpretation of the Koran so saying "they are not true Muslims" is far from the truth. The whole point is that no one can say hat they are doing is un-Islamic as it's all based on the Koran.
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Where does it say in the Qur'an to establish a caliphate / fight for a caliphate / or even wish for a caliphate ? As far as I know, Caliphate is not even a subject in the Qur'an and anything that Qur'an does not mention itself is not "fundamental" to the Muslims.
 
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TCIB said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate#Religious_basis

Even if it didn't try telling isis that then please :-)
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Does any of the Qur'anic verses mentioned mean what ISIS are trying to establish?

The article says there are only 2 times the word Khalifa is used.

Quoting the article
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The Qur'an uses the term khalifa twice. First, in al-Baqara 30, it refers to God creating humanity as his khalifa on Earth. Second, in Sad 26, it addresses King David as God's khalifa and reminds him of his obligation to rule with justice.
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So one verse says human beings are Khalifa on Earth, which means human beings rule the Earth (compared to animal kingdom). The other verse talks about the King David's rule and obligating him to rule with justice.
The third verse Surah Al-Nur, Verse 55 is a general promise of God that he gives rulership to people of faith and do righteous deeds.

Are these verses commanding Muslims to fight to establish a Caliphate ? No way
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I forgot to put the link to the article in which didn't help.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

You can't offer people a place in which to practice their literal version of Islam without physically holding territory you control. I'm not a Koranic scholar so instead of splitting hairs, read the article.
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My only objection was to regarding ISIS as "true Muslims" and "true followers of the Qur'an", thereby making the majority of people like me (who pray for their destruction) some kind of "fake Muslims".
 
whp.blue said:
you keep saying they are talking to people but you never seem to want to actually state who they are talking to
is that also a guess? or do you actually have any facts to back that up?
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They are clearly talking to those who fund and arm them. - Unless all their equipment is stolen.
If the oilfields under their control provide sufficient income to continue operations then perhaps they are no longer talking to their initial backers, but heavy calibre weapons aren't available at Tesco or Lidl so someone in powerful positions is supplying them. Obviously some might be from deserting members of various armies but other sources must be involved. If Saudi Arabia is the source then we are up shit creek as none of the western governments want to piss them off.
 
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