Attendances

Have to agree. For the most part the new singing section hasn't worked. It's just the same as the singing section in blocks 111, 110 and 109.

When it was first announced, and fans wishing to sing were asked to relocate to 115 and 114, the numbers mentioned where in there 100's, apparently.

In reality what we've ended up with is a scattering of singing fans throughout 115 and 114, with 15-25 1894 stood in 115 under the overhang.

Yet you know as well as I know that we don't all just sit/stand there with our arms folded and only ever sing for a couple of minutes after a goal so why give weight to his argument? It hasn't been perfect in 114-115 this season, not least for the reasons wearethesouthstand pointed out the other week which included a fair chunk of those originally moving to those blocks then re-locating again to the SS 3rd tier which meant a load of non-singers filling in the gaps, but a good number of us are still giving it a real go.
 
Just go back 20 years and look at average and lowest attendance of season at the obsessives ground.. You will be shocked!!! 95-96 season, whilst going on to win the league and cup double again, they had a top gate of 53,900 v forset. Lowest 31000... YES THIRTY ONE FUCKING THOUSAND!!!! And a whopping 40000 average.. Thats 14000 empty seats on average and a staggering 23000 empty seats on the lowest gate. Now don't let them lying deluded cunts tell you that they've always filled their ground because they talk incessant shite!!! They lie about their attendances(GMP report 2012-13) and they've always filled their squalid hovel.. YEAHHH RRRIGHHHTTT!!!!! So arm yourselves with these facts when you next have the misfortune to hear that stupid drone..'20000 empty seats are you fuckin sure'!! BELLENDS the lot of em!!!

You're dead right - they haven't always filled their ground despite what shit they spout and I'd happily demolish any **** amongst their support that claimed otherwise and spit the remains out before breakfast.

However, that season they were building the new North Stand and were therefore playing in front of a reduced capacity for much of the season, only getting back to full capacity at the arse end of the campaign - without looking it up, the Forest game you mention was in April 1996 IIRC. As a comparison, when City played there in October 1995 we didn't even receive an allocation of tickets due to the ongoing works on the North Stand and thousands of blues had to make do with watching a live screening at Maine Road instead.
 
I'm a season ticket holder and I don't do Champions league. First year I haven't joined this cup scheme.

I have joined League Cup and FA Cup schemes.

SOME of us cannot afford the games others can. I also do not enjoy Champs League and very few around me in previous years were regulars. The whole competition does nothing for me.

If we ever get to a final try getting a ticket too.

Most won't be able to. For that reason alone I wouldn't go.

I get all that mate, and I'm not having a pop at anyone who cannot afford to go. It stretches me, but my fuels paid for, so £20 for a CL match means one less takeaway, that's the way I see it. I also understand your comment about non-regulars, my block in 116 against MGB had literally no familiar faces in it (plenty of Germans), and it deffo affects the "matchday experience". For those like you, who have made a conscious decision to not do Chumps Leaguer fair enough, but plenty of SC holders around me at the Southampton game said "see you at the Gladbach game" but just didn't turn up, so couldn't be arsed. I know full well, draw Barca in the quarters, and they'll be all over it..
 
In the CL highlights shown last night nearly all the grounds had loads of empty seats and i include Real Madrid in that that had loads.
 
You're dead right - they haven't always filled their ground despite what shit they spout and I'd happily demolish any **** amongst their support that claimed otherwise and spit the remains out before breakfast.

However, that season they were building the new North Stand and were therefore playing in front of a reduced capacity for much of the season, only getting back to full capacity at the arse end of the campaign - without looking it up, the Forest game you mention was in April 1996 IIRC. As a comparison, when City played there in October 1995 we didn't even receive an allocation of tickets due to the ongoing works on the North Stand and thousands of blues had to make do with watching a live screening at Maine Road instead.
Yes mate, but look at the seasons before winning the league and the ones after.. Also loads of empty seats. I just plucked 95-96 because they'd had a good few years glory by this point and still struggled to fill their shit hole. We're 20 years behind them but our crowds are much better than theirs at the stage of a few years glory, if you catch my drift. Anyway, I fuckin hate em!!!
 
Just go back 20 years and look at average and lowest attendance of season at the obsessives ground.. You will be shocked!!! 95-96 season, whilst going on to win the league and cup double again, they had a top gate of 53,900 v forset. Lowest 31000... YES THIRTY ONE FUCKING THOUSAND!!!! And a whopping 40000 average.. Thats 14000 empty seats on average and a staggering 23000 empty seats on the lowest gate. Now don't let them lying deluded cunts tell you that they've always filled their ground because they talk incessant shite!!! They lie about their attendances(GMP report 2012-13) and they've always filled their squalid hovel.. YEAHHH RRRIGHHHTTT!!!!! So arm yourselves with these facts when you next have the misfortune to hear that stupid drone..'20000 empty seats are you fuckin sure'!! BELLENDS the lot of em!!!

Don't want to defend the rags but the 95/96 season was when they were rebuilding the North Stand.

It was the year we rebuilt the Kippax so we had lower than usual crowds as well which grew throughout the season as the stand went up.
 
Yet you know as well as I know that we don't all just sit/stand there with our arms folded and only ever sing for a couple of minutes after a goal so why give weight to his argument? It hasn't been perfect in 114-115 this season, not least for the reasons wearethesouthstand pointed out the other week which included a fair chunk of those originally moving to those blocks then re-locating again to the SS 3rd tier which meant a load of non-singers filling in the gaps, but a good number of us are still giving it a real go.

Why give weight to this argument? Because it's true. It's not an argument. Believe it or not, just like many on here I desperately wanted the new singing section to succeed. I moved from 111. I gave up a great seat and a great view. I also had some great times in there. Singing, banter, etc. I moved because I hoped the new singing section would be better. Is it? The jury is still out on that one as far as I'm concerned.

I'll give you an honest and unbiased view of the new singing section, in my opinion.

For a start I don't buy into the fact that the new 3rd tier claimed a large percentage of fans who originally decided to relocate to the new singing section. Fans who wanted to stand and sing would have still relocated to the new singing section, regardless of the new 3rd tier. We were led to believe there was as many as 400-500 fans relocating to the new singing section from other parts of the ground. In all honesty, is there even 50-100 singing fans grouped together in 114 or 115? Probably more like 20-30?(grouped together)

What we've got is very similar to blocks 111, 110 and 109. A mixture of fans who want to sing all the time, part of the time, or not at all. Those 3 groups of fans are completely mixed up and spread out in blocks 115 and 114. As it stands there isn't a large group of singers massed together in 114 or 115.

Let me make this clear. What l'm about to write is not a criticism of 1894. I've supported them and helped them right from the start. I also know some of the lads personally and I'm on speaking terms with them. TBH I consider them to be friends. What they've achieved at City and on the terraces has been great. And because of them we're heading in the right direction. However, there are a few things I've noticed that I think need looking at, which could make a difference, and could have a positive impact on the singing and atmosphere in blocks 114 and 115?

1. As far as I know, and I could be wrong, 1894 are reluctant to grow their numbers? They want to keep everything in-house. They have a tight knit bunch of lads. That's not to say they don't welcome more fans joining in singing on the concourse and on the terraces.

2. When I stand with them I see the same faces most of the time. I appreciate they know each other and they are mates. But unless you actively invite new fans into that close knit group, you will never increase the numbers, and increase the number of singers grouped together.

3. As I've already stated, many of the singers are spread throughout both blocks. From what I've seen there seems to be 2 groups of singers. The 1894 group at the back of 115, under the overhang, and another group to left of them. Don't know who they are. That aside, and in my opinion, if you've got 10-15 lads stood under the concrete overhang at the back of 115 that isn't going to help the songs and the noise to travel. The concrete overhang acts like a buffer, a dampener, and muffles the chants and any noise created. Whether by choice or by accident 1894 have decided to stand there during the games. From a personal point of view, and seeing where Palace and other Ultras stand, it would make more sense to stand near the bottom or in the middle of the block/s, so the chants and the noise can either travel up the blocks, or up and down the blocks. That being said, most of those seats have now probably been allocated to other season ticket holders.

Being honest, the new singing section has made the atmosphere better at the Etihad, but with more organisation, and ultimately more singers grouped together, and in a better location on the terraces, the support and atmosphere could and would be so much better.

That's my take on it, rightly or wrongly. :-)
 
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