Auschwitz

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My wife and I went to dachau in December whilst in munich, and one of the most powerful things we saw, was the train tracks that brought the prisoners in, were lifted and shaped so it resembled the crown of thorns, that Jesus wore, and placed at the top of the Catholic memorial next to the gas chambers

 

[Alex - City Matters]

I think what says it all, is that as the Soviets were advancing towards Krakow and Auschwitz itself there was a mass exodus of all senior Nazi's at the camp. Now you don't do that if you know you've done nothing wrong? Granted the Russians were brutal. Mengele himself was the camp leader, some of the stuff he supposedly did can't even be wrote on here.
In relation to another comment earlier about the tour guides being great, I'd have to agree. They are. Credit to what we must do, never let the memory fade.

Mengele is probably the sickest person I've ever read about. Some of the stuff he did was just unbelievable, how do you do something so bad to another person? It's a shame he escaped and died a free man.

Mengele i think departed for South America where he lived out his life but i'm sure that Nazi hunter bloke was on his case sometime around the late 70s, not 100% but i'm quite sure he was protected by the authorities,there is only one thing that could buy that protection and that's money, maybe some of the gold that was stolen from the Jews made its way over there

A lot of the governments over there were quite friendly with the Nazis. The Argentines especially. If I remember rightly didn't the Argentines declare war on the US about a month before the end of the war, only for the Yanks to force them to change sides?

 

[mancitymick]

What happens in Germany on days like this ? The new generations must want to be disassociated with their country's past.

I was in Munich today and it wasn't mentioned

Are you serious? the 70 years anniversary was all over the media/press over here.

Do you really think we would just close our eyes and ignore what happened back then?

This topic came up at work yesterday. I work with a lot of Germans. The term used by them was it was the Nazi's and not the Germans. This can be said with war memorials across Europe. On the plaques it will say invasion by the Nazi's

 

[Bembeltown]

I was in Munich today and it wasn't mentioned

Are you serious? the 70 years anniversary was all over the media/press over here.

Do you really think we would just close our eyes and ignore what happened back then?

This topic came up at work yesterday. I work with a lot of Germans. The term used by them was it was the Nazi's and not the Germans. This can be said with war memorials across Europe. On the plaques it will say invasion by the Nazi's

Well I am with your colleagues on that one, however what happened back then will forever be part of the German identity, hence we can not just close our eyes on the Auschwitz anniversary.

But they are right in the sense that you can not blame a complete new generation on what happened 70 years ago. We were suffering from this for quite a while already and only with us hosting the WC in 2006 it became sort of acceptable to be "a proud German" again.

Before the WC it was always seen as awkward to fly the German flag and more often than not you would have been put into the Nazi drawer if you did.

Whole generations in Germany (myself included) grew up learning that there is nothing to be proud off with being German due to WW1 and WW2.

Luckily this is changing now, but it doesn't mean that we should forget what has been. Its up to the new generations to show the world that Germany is more than just a breeding pit for homophobic, racist whatever ideology.

Just look at what is happening with the Anti Muslim Protests in Germany....even on here you can read shit like "The Germans are at it again" while no one mentiones that in other places in Germany thousands of people march on the streets against those idiots in Dresden.

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

What happens in Germany on days like this ? The new generations must want to be disassociated with their country's past.

I was in Munich today and it wasn't mentioned

Are you serious? the 70 years anniversary was all over the media/press over here.

Do you really think we would just close our eyes and ignore what happened back then?

it may have been all over the press but it wasn't mentioned to me or raised as a topic for comment or discussion by a single German

 

[DTKOAG]

we have all seen the docu's and footage but there was a programe on last night with footage i had never seen before and quite gruesome it was, i'm pretty good at dealing with stuff like that but whats got to me is when they cut a bag of human hair open and pulled out the plated pony tail of a young girl who was probably aged between 5 and 15, all day i cant shake it off and keep thinking how terrible it must have been :-(

What channel was the programme on?

Channel 4. Called 'Night Will Fall'.

Anywhere that this can be viewed again as not on catch up on C4 ??

 

[aguero93:20]

What channel was the programme on?

Channel 4. Called 'Night Will Fall'.

Anywhere that this can be viewed again as not on catch up on C4 ??

Is this it?

http://putlocker.is/watch-night-will-fall-online-free-putlocker.html

 

[scotty123]

My wife and I went to dachau in December whilst in munich, and one of the most powerful things we saw, was the train tracks that brought the prisoners in, were lifted and shaped so it resembled the crown of thorns, that Jesus wore, and placed at the top of the Catholic memorial next to the gas chambers

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

 

[aguero93:20]

My wife and I went to dachau in December whilst in munich, and one of the most powerful things we saw, was the train tracks that brought the prisoners in, were lifted and shaped so it resembled the crown of thorns, that Jesus wore, and placed at the top of the Catholic memorial next to the gas chambers

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

He probably means the Cremation ovens they used to dispose of the bodies, I've seen very few things in life that affected me the way those did.

 

[scotty123]

My wife and I went to dachau in December whilst in munich, and one of the most powerful things we saw, was the train tracks that brought the prisoners in, were lifted and shaped so it resembled the crown of thorns, that Jesus wore, and placed at the top of the Catholic memorial next to the gas chambers

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

He probably means the Cremation ovens they used to dispose of the bodies, I've seen very few things in life that affected me the way those did.

Yes he probably does as most camps had to have cremation ovens as they were mostly the size of small towns
All executions/murders were carried out at Dachau through shootings, hangings, or being beaten to death, think a mobile guillotine was also brought in about 44, many top ranking Germans found guilty of treason were executed at Dachau or Flossenburg including Admiral Canaris