Auschwitz

[Innsbruckblue]

Are you serious? the 70 years anniversary was all over the media/press over here.

Do you really think we would just close our eyes and ignore what happened back then?

This topic came up at work yesterday. I work with a lot of Germans. The term used by them was it was the Nazi's and not the Germans. This can be said with war memorials across Europe. On the plaques it will say invasion by the Nazi's

Well I am with your colleagues on that one, however what happened back then will forever be part of the German identity, hence we can not just close our eyes on the Auschwitz anniversary.

But they are right in the sense that you can not blame a complete new generation on what happened 70 years ago. We were suffering from this for quite a while already and only with us hosting the WC in 2006 it became sort of acceptable to be "a proud German" again.

Before the WC it was always seen as awkward to fly the German flag and more often than not you would have been put into the Nazi drawer if you did.

Whole generations in Germany (myself included) grew up learning that there is nothing to be proud off with being German due to WW1 and WW2.

Luckily this is changing now, but it doesn't mean that we should forget what has been. Its up to the new generations to show the world that Germany is more than just a breeding pit for homophobic, racist whatever ideology.

Just look at what is happening with the Anti Muslim Protests in Germany....even on here you can read shit like "The Germans are at it again" while no one mentiones that in other places in Germany thousands of people march on the streets against those idiots in Dresden.

I mentioned the protests against Pegida and Legida somewhere on the forum but it was completely ignored (just like the British press tends to do). Nice to see a lot of my old friends involved in the protests, too..

 

[i kne albert davy]

My wife and I went to dachau in December whilst in munich, and one of the most powerful things we saw, was the train tracks that brought the prisoners in, were lifted and shaped so it resembled the crown of thorns, that Jesus wore, and placed at the top of the Catholic memorial next to the gas chambers

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

Hi mate when we were in Munich in December 13 for the game, we visited Dachau there's definitely a gas chamber there it was the model for all the others, the guide didn't know if it was used for more than test purposes but it had all the shower heads access points to drop in the Zyklon b and ventilation shutters to vent it, the crematoria was attached to it. Eerie place

 

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Defo gas chambers as per the above post.
We hired a personal guide, and he pointed out where some of the shower heads were stolen as "trophys". Truly scary

 

[scotty123]

My wife and I went to dachau in December whilst in munich, and one of the most powerful things we saw, was the train tracks that brought the prisoners in, were lifted and shaped so it resembled the crown of thorns, that Jesus wore, and placed at the top of the Catholic memorial next to the gas chambers

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

Hi mate when we were in Munich in December 13 for the game, we visited Dachau there's definitely a gas chamber there it was the model for all the others, the guide didn't know if it was used for more than test purposes but it had all the shower heads access points to drop in the Zyklon b and ventilation shutters to vent it, the crematoria was attached to it. Eerie place

Yes I remember you saying you were paying it a visit when we were in that bar near the Haufbrauhause, I don't think they were ever used at Dachau, don't think they had the seals right and the ventelation was wrong, I will have to do some research

 

[i kne albert davy]

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

Hi mate when we were in Munich in December 13 for the game, we visited Dachau there's definitely a gas chamber there it was the model for all the others, the guide didn't know if it was used for more than test purposes but it had all the shower heads access points to drop in the Zyklon b and ventilation shutters to vent it, the crematoria was attached to it. Eerie place

Yes I remember you saying you were paying it a visit when we were in that bar near the Haufbrauhause, I don't think they were ever used at Dachau, don't think they had the seals right and the ventilation was wrong, I will have to do some research

Yep the bar we were ordered to leave shortly after cos some tosser called the loon Frau a Nazi she really went off on one then. according to the guide nobody knew if they'd been used for mass murder or not, he did take us through to where they hanged people off meat hooks in front of the ovens, hard to believe it possible in living memory especially in Europe
Just after the war ended my old fella who'd was in RAF was taken around Belsen he once told me up till then bombing cities had troubled him even though he was only a gunner, after he'd been there it never troubled him again.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Are you sure it was Dachau?
Dachau never had gas chambers, it was one of the first camps built in 1933 but was used for political prisoners, yes a lot of people were murdered there especially in 44 to 45 but it was still mostly political or opposition to the Nazi regime who were sent there, still a despicable place though

Hi mate when we were in Munich in December 13 for the game, we visited Dachau there's definitely a gas chamber there it was the model for all the others, the guide didn't know if it was used for more than test purposes but it had all the shower heads access points to drop in the Zyklon b and ventilation shutters to vent it, the crematoria was attached to it. Eerie place

Yes I remember you saying you were paying it a visit when we were in that bar near the Haufbrauhause, I don't think they were ever used at Dachau, don't think they had the seals right and the ventelation was wrong, I will have to do some research

The Holocaust denial/revisionism sites say that the Dachau gas chambers were actually showers or delousing chambers that were converted to look like gas chambers by the Americans.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Hi mate when we were in Munich in December 13 for the game, we visited Dachau there's definitely a gas chamber there it was the model for all the others, the guide didn't know if it was used for more than test purposes but it had all the shower heads access points to drop in the Zyklon b and ventilation shutters to vent it, the crematoria was attached to it. Eerie place

Yes I remember you saying you were paying it a visit when we were in that bar near the Haufbrauhause, I don't think they were ever used at Dachau, don't think they had the seals right and the ventelation was wrong, I will have to do some research

The Holocaust denial/revisionism sites say that the Dachau gas chambers were actually showers or delousing chambers that were converted to look like gas chambers by the Americans.

Hmmm I know which side of the story I believe.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Yes I remember you saying you were paying it a visit when we were in that bar near the Haufbrauhause, I don't think they were ever used at Dachau, don't think they had the seals right and the ventelation was wrong, I will have to do some research

The Holocaust denial/revisionism sites say that the Dachau gas chambers were actually showers or delousing chambers that were converted to look like gas chambers by the Americans.

Hmmm I know which side of the story I believe.

I could actually believe it. The Germans had gone to great lengths to cover up evidence of their crimes and the camps at Chelmno, Treblinka, Belzec & Sobibor had been completely obliterated. Auschwitz stopped operating in late 1944 and the crematoria had been blown up. Yet they left one intact at Dachau even though it was never used? Doesn't make sense.

The gas chamber known as Crematorium I at Auschwitz Main was reconstructed after the war, having been converted to an air raid shelter when gassing started at Birkenau. So not so unbelievable.

 

[scotty123]

Yes I remember you saying you were paying it a visit when we were in that bar near the Haufbrauhause, I don't think they were ever used at Dachau, don't think they had the seals right and the ventelation was wrong, I will have to do some research

The Holocaust denial/revisionism sites say that the Dachau gas chambers were actually showers or delousing chambers that were converted to look like gas chambers by the Americans.

Hmmm I know which side of the story I believe.

Bit of quick research says, they were constructed but there was a gas mixing cellar underneath a chamber, the gas they experimented with was cyanide, it was supposed to be pumped into the chamber above and then exit out of vents in the roof, it never worked so they experimented more at Auschwitz and Treblinka and perfected it there
At the Dachau trials after the war evidence of mass killings by shooting and hangings was exposed but never of mass killings by a gas chamber, still a lot of arguments going on about it today apparently, suppose we will never find out the real truth, the twats still killed a lot of people there though

 

[i kne albert davy]

The Holocaust denial/revisionism sites say that the Dachau gas chambers were actually showers or delousing chambers that were converted to look like gas chambers by the Americans.

Hmmm I know which side of the story I believe.

I could actually believe it. The Germans had gone to great lengths to cover up evidence of their crimes and the camps at Chelmno, Treblinka, Belzec & Sobibor had been completely obliterated. Auschwitz stopped operating in late 1944 and the crematoria had been blown up. Yet they left one intact at Dachau even though it was never used? Doesn't make sense.

The gas chamber known as Crematorium I at Auschwitz Main was reconstructed after the war, having been converted to an air raid shelter when gassing started at Birkenau. So not so unbelievable.

Hard to say why the Germans didn't destroy it it wasn't really a death camp most who died there were just worked to death unless the guards felt like murdering them, maybe there was that much confusion when the Third Reich's military collapsed that no one gave the orders or perhaps the American's arrived before they expected.