Auschwitz

Watched Schindler’s List last night for the umpteenth time, I read the book Schindler’s Ark must be 40 years ago. This when the atrocities were still fresh in people’s minds. It is beyond my imagination how a human can treat a fellow human being. There must have been many German soldiers from those camps who went home after the war, who, would I say complicit? Not sure about that, probably would have to have a long think about that but witnessed an awful lot and they lived the rest of their lives without saying a word.
 




Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The way that I want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in
Like cattle
You run
Stripped of
Your life's worth
Human mice, for the angel of death
Four hundred thousand more to die

Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead

Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood
Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the aryan race

Surgery, with no anesthesia
Feel the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die

Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of death

Pumped with fluid, inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh, drips away
Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold, cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'til you rip yourselves apart
Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The holocaust

Seas of blood, bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide awake nightmare
Wings of pain, reach out for you
His face of death staring down,
Your blood running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating
Pathetic harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid angel of death
Flying free

Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of death

Angel of death
 
normskih said:
Watched Schindler’s List last night for the umpteenth time, I read the book Schindler’s Ark must be 40 years ago. This when the atrocities were still fresh in people’s minds. It is beyond my imagination how a human can treat a fellow human being. There must have been many German soldiers from those camps who went home after the war, who, would I say complicit? Not sure about that, probably would have to have a long think about that but witnessed an awful lot and they lived the rest of their lives without saying a word.
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I lived maybe 5 miles from Belsen, there were older people living in the area who still didn't believe it happened and that's without the internet.

Sad thing is that humanity wont learn.
 
normskih said:
Watched Schindler’s List last night for the umpteenth time, I read the book Schindler’s Ark must be 40 years ago. This when the atrocities were still fresh in people’s minds. It is beyond my imagination how a human can treat a fellow human being. There must have been many German soldiers from those camps who went home after the war, who, would I say complicit? Not sure about that, probably would have to have a long think about that but witnessed an awful lot and they lived the rest of their lives without saying a word.
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Yes, it's important not to forget what the German did and indeed what the Russians did to the Poles about the same time. The curtains have been drawn over those atrocities too - we have enough now to deal with perhaps.
 
normskih said:
Watched Schindler’s List last night for the umpteenth time, I read the book Schindler’s Ark must be 40 years ago. This when the atrocities were still fresh in people’s minds. It is beyond my imagination how a human can treat a fellow human being. There must have been many German soldiers from those camps who went home after the war, who, would I say complicit? Not sure about that, probably would have to have a long think about that but witnessed an awful lot and they lived the rest of their lives without saying a word.
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A lot of the camps had Ukrainian guards, not just Germans.
 
mexico1970 said:
I lived maybe 5 miles from Belsen, there were older people living in the area who still didn't believe it happened and that's without the internet.

Sad thing is that humanity wont learn.
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I know, from a first-hand account from my father, who was there, that local civilians were rounded up and made to visit the camp. If seeing a horrendous sight like it was is not burned into the local folk memory, I don't know what more can be done.

At the time, the locals claimed they did not know what was happening. That I can believe, because I don't know what's happening in Strangeways. But after being conducted through scenes that are better imagined than described, they certainly knew then.
 
BrianW said:
I know, from a first-hand account from my father, who was there, that local civilians were rounded up and made to visit the camp. If seeing a horrendous sight like it was is not burned into the local folk memory, I don't know what more can be done.

At the time, the locals claimed they did not know what was happening. That I can believe, because I don't know what's happening in Strangeways. But after being conducted through scenes that are better imagined than described, they certainly knew then.
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I can still remember this old woman she told her children that nothing happened and that it was all a lie told by the allies, her lies even seeped down the line because members of her family believed her.

It was 5 marks in a taxi to Belsen it was that close.
 
I went with my son's school trip around 2001. I'd read a lot about the Holocaust and Auschwitz but nothing really prepared me for the sheer scale and horror of the place. When we stood by the ruins of the gas chambers and crematoria it was actually surreal that I was looking at a place where hundreds of thousands were murdered.

What was even more surreal was that the kids sat on the memorial between Crematoria II & III eating their sandwiches and chatting. A group of adults went off to explore the site further and we ended up at the other side of the camp, beyond the other two crematoria. There were some photographs there that were taken secretly, of bodies being burned in the open air as they didn't have enough capacity in the crematoria to cope with the volume of Hungarian Jews they were desperately trying to exterminate in 1944.

If you put your hand on the ground, there was loads of ash and that's when the horror really struck home. There was also a survivor on the trip, who was a good pal of my dad, so I spent some time with him. He found the block he'd been in that was still standing and casually explained that you'd fight to get on the top of the three rows of bunks, as diseases like dysentery were common and you didn't want to be in a bunk under someone who had that as you could end up covered in their excrement.

He also said the thing he couldn't get used to on seeing it again was the abundance of grass. When he was in there, it was just mud and soil, as people would eat any vegetation.

That was truly genocide.
 
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You've read in it in a book

Seen it on a TV screen

To you it's a nightmare

But to some it's a dream

They've hidden their swastika

behind the union jack

You'd better watch out brothers

They're heading for a comeback

Remember Belsen, remember Auschwitz

They're trying to say they didn't exist

Don't let 'em put this country in chains

Don't let 6 million die in vain

Belsen!
Auschwitz!
Dachau!
Ravensbrück!
Treblinka!
 
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Today we remember the victims of the Holocaust—a horrific attempt by the Nazis to erase the Jewish nation.
The Nazis also targeted other groups for persecution and mass murder. These groups included Soviet POWs, ethnic Poles, Roma, and people with disabilities, they were all victims, such crimes must never be repeated. We must stand together against the evil which allows cruelty to thrive.

Churchlawtonblue said:
Elon Musk could do with a visit to Auschwitz, it would act as a timely reminder.
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It is our shared responsibility to remember, to act, and to ensure that evil never prevails when ever it appears. Elon Musk would be arrested if he thumped his chest and a high salute twice in Germany it’s against the law.
 
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Asa's Heart said:
I was partly brought up by a lovely woman who survived Auschwitz. She was a political prisoner who opposed the National Socialist Party. I learned a lot about compassion and politics from her and her family.

When I visited Auschwitz I got lost in a world full of thoughts and sadness. It really affected me. We had a survivor with us and again, he was a model of compassion, kindness and wisdom. All children in Israel visit and when you see them walking in formation in total silence with their flag in front it is sobering.

What shocked me on occasion was the rather loud (often American) tourists who ignored the signs and requests not to photograph certain areas, and people taking selfies in really sensitive areas. It isn’t that often that I get really angry but to see this happen when there are families clearly mourning and praying was shocking.

there are lots of publications that are good and in recent years lots of stories that have become popular. Some mentioned on this thread. All are relevant to a degree but if anyone wants a real and detailed history of the various stages of the holocaust have a look at ‘The Holocaust’ by Martin Gilbert. People often think that they know what went on in terms of the holocaust but to see accounts of the creative way in which the Nazi’s, particularly the SS went about industrial scale murder is mind blowing. Reading accounts of SS officers taking bets on how many push ups people could do over a bayonet before they fell on it and died (for fun because they were bored), or how in order to save bullets they stood people in a line three or four deep and used one high powered bullet to see if it would kill more than two or three people is sickening. It shows a total lack of any feeling towards fellow humans.

One of the questions that I was asked almost thirty years ago at my university interview was “if you were stuck on a desert island and could only have one book what would it be”? I answered the Holocaust by Martin Gilbert. The panel all looked at me like I was mad and one asked why. My response was “because it would remind me why sometimes being on an island away from the human race was not a bad option”. It caused a lot of debate but I got on and completed my politics degree.

if anyone really looks at how the hatred and fear developed throughout the late 1920’s to the mid 1940’s they will be fearful of what is happening right here, right now. People are accepting lies from politicians, media and often their own classes. It is a dangerous And fragmented world and things are happening at a pace that should make people sit up and really take notice. We are sleepwalking into a real problem on a national and international stage.
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2019 your post.
Six years later the world is still denying the swing to the right and turning a blind eye to the politics that lead to the murder of millions of people that didn’t fit in with a pure race view of the Nazis they also targeted other groups for persecution and mass murder.
These groups included Soviet POWs, ethnic Poles, Roma, and people with disabilities, among others.
Putin is not there today but it was Russian soldiers that liberated Auschwitz he should be there representing Russia but his invasion of Ukraine means he wasn’t invited
I read a harrowing book with pictures as a small child of eight yrs old and the memory never left my mind, the pictures are burned in to my subconscious.
 
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johnny crossan said:
Yes, it's important not to forget what the German did and indeed what the Russians did to the Poles about the same time. The curtains have been drawn over those atrocities too - we have enough now to deal with perhaps.
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Years ago I worked at a place where two of the men were Ukrainian.
One of those men had been a camp guard whilst the other had been a worker.
Both did what they did to survive.
 
Auschwitz is a place I do want to go visit to hopefully understand better what happened - I suspect its going to be pretty harrowing because... on our overnight trip to the FA Cup Final against Wigan (the 6-0) on the day after the game as a group we paid a visit to the Imperial War Museum in Lambeth - whilst most of it was interesting and covered big boys toys (Planes, Tanks, Guns etc), we then went down to the Holocaust Experience Levels. Oh my god, seriously, to a man, we all came out ashen!
 
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