Auschwitz

[kev20971]

Today’s commemoration included prayers from all Christian denominations and Islam in addition to prayers from representatives of the Jewish community, so I don’t think it’s fair to say other people aren’t included.

Just a couple of comments on here about "6 million Jews"
Now I'm not taking away the fact that jewish people were the majority of the people suffered under the Nazi. But the Nazi had a long list of groups/people they didn't like, that never seem to get a mention !
I was just saying every group should be remembered

 

[KS55]

Step away now and go have a good talk to yourself.

I think the implication of what you are saying is doubtful. The nazis murdered millions of Soviet POWs, ethnic Poles, Roma, gay people, people with disabilities especially children, political enemies and others.
The nazis justification for these murders was exactly the same as the massacre of the Jews, ie the purity of the nation.
These victims should not be forgotten and remembering them in no way diminishes the remembrance of the suffering of the Jews.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

The Holocaust probably the biggest crime against humanity ever and should never be forgotten. But 10 million died in it and 4 million none Jews seem to get forgotten ever time !

Just a couple of comments on here about "6 million Jews"
Now I'm not taking away the fact that jewish people were the majority of the people suffered under the Nazi. But the Nazi had a long list of groups/people they didn't like, that never seem to get a mention !
I was just saying every group should be remembered

We should remember all peoples who died as a result of the Nazi’s I’ll alter my posts in future to remember all the others Kev I didn’t know there was others sorry :(

 

[better dead than red]

Just a couple of comments on here about "6 million Jews"
Now I'm not taking away the fact that jewish people were the majority of the people suffered under the Nazi. But the Nazi had a long list of groups/people they didn't like, that never seem to get a mention !
I was just saying every group should be remembered

As you used an exclamation point in your sentence, I can assume it is something you feel strongly about. For what it's worth, yesterday, and today, I heard about Auschwitz Day on the radio. Both times, the presenter mentioned, gays, Roma gypsies, Soviet POWs, disabled persons, etc in addition to the Jewish people being murdered by the Nazis.

I do not know what media you consume but others are mentioned frequently. The National Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. even discusses it was more than just Jews murdered. There also exhibits on other genocides in the world. I been there and seen it. But to be fair, it is mostly the extermination of the two thirds of the Jewish population in Europe they focus on there.

I think it's fair to say, in this instance, as in most, the words "always" and "never" are rarely true.

 

[DTKOAG]

Watched the episode last night of The World At War - Holocaust
Absolutely brilliant series but a brutal cruel episode

 

[kev20971]

As you used an exclamation point in your sentence, I can assume it is something you feel strongly about. For what it's worth, yesterday, and today, I heard about Auschwitz Day on the radio. Both times, the presenter mentioned, gays, Roma gypsies, Soviet POWs, disabled persons, etc in addition to the Jewish people being murdered by the Nazis.

I do not know what media you consume but others are mentioned frequently. The National Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C. even discusses it was more than just Jews murdered. There also exhibits on other genocides in the world. I been there and seen it. But to be fair, it is mostly the extermination of the two thirds of the Jewish population in Europe they focus on there.

I think it's fair to say, in this instance, as in most, the words "always" and "never" are rarely true.

I'm not getting into a argument with you over this , and this is just my reply.
But you questioned , what media I "consume" ?
Well I bet if you asked the average person (like me) in the street , to name what groups of people were killed in the Holocaust ?
I bet many wouldn't say more then just Jewish people.
Now I never really thought about this subject until I seen a documentary some years back on Channel 4, ( during a season of documentaries about 'Israel 50').
And how some Holocaust Museum in America (seems to be a lot) are very choosy with which people's they named in the Holocaust. Most would reuse the speech by a German priest (sorry don't know his name),
In which he says "when the Nazis came for so and so , I didn't nothing".
With it finishing with, that there will be nobody to save him when the Nazis come.

 

[better dead than red]

I'm not getting into a argument with you over this , and this is just my reply.
But you questioned , what media I "consume" ?
Well I bet if you asked the average person (like me) in the street , to name what groups of people were killed in the Holocaust ?
I bet many wouldn't say more then just Jewish people.
Now I never really thought about this subject until I seen a documentary some years back on Channel 4, ( during a season of documentaries about 'Israel 50').
And how some Holocaust Museum in America (seems to be a lot) are very choosy with which people's they named in the Holocaust. Most would reuse the speech by a German priest (sorry don't know his name),
In which he says "when the Nazis came for so and so , I didn't nothing".
With it finishing with, that there will be nobody to save him when the Nazis come.

I wasn't trying to argue either. My apologies if I came across like I was looking for an argument.

I can be matter of fact at times. I'm aware it can come across as brusque, unfortunately, but I do not mean to be rude.

And I will admit, the issue of antisemitism is important to me. My children are Jewish. My grandchildren will be Jewish and I am very aware of the rise of antisemitism in today's society. Maybe I can be quick to see it where it isn't.

And for those reading, for what it's worth, antisemitism isn't confined to just "right wing" groups. There are plenty of confirmed leftists who are antisemitic. It's unfortunately, prevalent on both ends of the political spectrum.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk. :)

 

[ancoats]

The Saddest thing is after so many years we still have not listened to or learned from the past
It is 2025 and War is still happening and killings are still happening for what ? because of your religion

It's a Crazy World with power-minded people in charge

I made a threat about giving peace a chance and we all need to stand by peace

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

I'm not getting into a argument with you over this , and this is just my reply.
But you questioned , what media I "consume" ?
Well I bet if you asked the average person (like me) in the street , to name what groups of people were killed in the Holocaust ?
I bet many wouldn't say more then just Jewish people.
Now I never really thought about this subject until I seen a documentary some years back on Channel 4, ( during a season of documentaries about 'Israel 50').
And how some Holocaust Museum in America (seems to be a lot) are very choosy with which people's they named in the Holocaust. Most would reuse the speech by a German priest (sorry don't know his name),
In which he says "when the Nazis came for so and so , I didn't nothing".
With it finishing with, that there will be nobody to save him when the Nazis come.

Martin Niemoller


First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

 

[bluevengence]

Visited a few years ago,,,it`s something you will never forget,on the way back to Krakow 8 of us never said a word.

 

[CTID1988]

When I went there was a group of American girls taking instagram selfies infront of the wall people were executed by firing squad. Also a lot of people with Israel flags acting like they were at a footie match too, chanting and bouncing around. I found it all very strange, like a morbid amusement park

 

[Koniec]

I’m in that part of Polska a lot. I’ll never ever set foot near the place. Some seem to treat it as a tourist trip. Try to avoid cunts like this…..

For me it’s best left as a memorial to depths humanity can reach, and the Jews in main. To turn up and take selfies etc is just fucking awful.

 

[hammocity]

Watched the episode last night of The World At War - Holocaust
Absolutely brilliant series but a brutal cruel episode

The school kids in lesser Poland have it within their curriculum to visit Auschwitz, perhaps that episode should be shown to every kid over the age of 14 or so in this country, it's brutal but it would raise awareness of what mankind capable of.

I went to Auschwitz in October, I think the guide said before the Nazi Occupation there were 3 million Jews in Poland, there's 4,000 now.

 

[roman totale]

Never been and to be honest, not sure I could handle going. One thing that flabbergasts me is that everyone (that I meet in the US anyway) always thinks it’s in Germany. I’ve actually had people argue with me when I say it’s in Poland.

 

[citydad]

Went in 1989 and 91 while following England so it was a place that had to be visited. Lasting memories of no birds singing, utter peace and quiet and in the buildings separate glass tanks full of shoes, spectacles, hair, teeth etc and seeing organised school trips. Was and is something that stays with you very very moving.

 

[AliBobbyJ]

Interesting documentary on PBS (U.S.) recently about Eva Schloss, an Austrian-born woman who fled Vienna with her parents to Amsterdam in 1938 to escape the Nazis.. They lived near the Frank family and a home cine film they took has the only known (motion) film of Anne Frank as she leans out of a window to watch a wedding procession. Like the Franks they went into hiding during the Nazi occupation but were similarly betrayed and sent to Auschwitz where her brother Heinz and her father died. She and her mother survived and on returning to Amsterdam after the war they recovered her brother's paintings and poems from beneath the floorboards where he'd hidden them, thus keeping the promise she'd made to him. One of the paintings from their years in hiding is titled "Time Running Out", ominously showing an hourglass and a death mask. Eva didn't talk publicly about Auschwitz for forty years after the war, even when Anne Frank's story became well known, but has since written a lot about her experiences and speaks often at Holocaust remembrance events. Still alive, I think, living in London.. Her brother's paintings and poems have been donated to the Dutch Resistance Museum in Amsterdam which seems well worth a visit.

 

[Gray]

You would think people would change for the better after finding out what happened in these camps.

Unfortunately they haven’t.

 

[KS55]

I'm not getting into a argument with you over this , and this is just my reply.
But you questioned , what media I "consume" ?
Well I bet if you asked the average person (like me) in the street , to name what groups of people were killed in the Holocaust ?
I bet many wouldn't say more then just Jewish people.
Now I never really thought about this subject until I seen a documentary some years back on Channel 4, ( during a season of documentaries about 'Israel 50').
And how some Holocaust Museum in America (seems to be a lot) are very choosy with which people's they named in the Holocaust. Most would reuse the speech by a German priest (sorry don't know his name),
In which he says "when the Nazis came for so and so , I didn't nothing".
With it finishing with, that there will be nobody to save him when the Nazis come.

That speech was by the priest Martin Niemoller who was a nazi resister.
Although it is famous, it was an impromptu affair and may not be textually accurate. Wiki has the low down. Google “First they came for the socialists…”

You could also look up the priest Dietrich Bonhoeffer a major figure in nazi resistance who was murdered by the nazis near the end of the war. Wiki is quite good on the subject.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I think the implication of what you are saying is doubtful. The nazis murdered millions of Soviet POWs, ethnic Poles, Roma, gay people, people with disabilities especially children, political enemies and others.
The nazis justification for these murders was exactly the same as the massacre of the Jews, ie the purity of the nation.
These victims should not be forgotten and remembering them in no way diminishes the remembrance of the suffering of the Jews.

Nobody is diminishing the loss of any deaths in WWII, but it smacked of “All Lives Matter” at a time when we were supposed to be reflecting on the 80th anniversary of Auschwitz, not a broader discussion of the Nazi war machine.

 

[KS55]

Nobody is diminishing the loss of any deaths in WWII, but it smacked of “All Lives Matter” at a time when we were supposed to be reflecting on the 80th anniversary of Auschwitz, not a broader discussion of the Nazi war machine.

Sorry, I don’t understand the point about the ‘broader discussion of the Nazi war machine’. All the poster said was we should remember all the victims. Did you think these other victims were not murdered in death camps? They were imprisoned there alongside Jews; Auschwitz contained thousands of Poles. The gays, the disabled, the communists, resister priests etc etc were all imprisoned throughout the death camps. About 4 million of them.