Banning smoking in beer gardens

[Coatigan]

Before the pub smoking ban came in, there was a smoke free pub in Shrewsbury called the Three Fishes.
I often went for afternoons out there, not only because it was smoke free, but it also had a fantastic range of beer, and the locals seemed pretty sociable.
It gave a glimpse of what came in a few years later, and I'm really grateful for not having to go home stinking of 2nd hand smoke. Remember having a shower the morning after a night in a smokey pub and that stench coming out of your hair? Absolutely rank!
The only reoccurance of smokey pubs I've experienced in recent years was when I did Dinamo Zagreb away. Smoking was still permitted in pubs in Croatia (not sure if it still is) and it was actually a bit of a culture shock.

Scotland got the smoking ban in pubs about a year and a half before England. It was a culture shock, going just between the two back then.

The difference was noticeable instantly, and it was a brilliant thing to implement.

Countries have non-smoking beaches. Might seem a step too far, and nanny state or whatever, but then you go there and it is great. And you then go to a pool where someone lights up somewhere nearby, and you realise it is a good thing and should be praised.

 

[Coatigan]

For pubs to survive these days, they have to offer something a little bit different.
Sometimes they specialise in a diverse range of real ales or craft beer, some are "gastropubs" and others entice customers by showing sport, have pool or darts, quiz nights or live music.
And then there's the "community pub" phenomenon where they become the hub for local communities doubling up as corner shops / Post Offices etc.
The pubs that don't seem to survive are those that haven't embraced a unique identity and have failed to move with the times.

That is true, and would be with or without smokers and bans.

There is also a culture of craving 'new', so pubs often refresh re-open as something else. It goes down as a pub closing down in statistics, but that isn't always the case, they sometimes simply re-brand.

 

[mexico1970]

Where are all these thriving pubs? The only pub thriving round here is Wetherspoons. There is fuck all else left. Whether that's the smoking ban or not? Who knows, but the town was in the Guniess Book of Records for number of pubs per head of the town population a couple of decades ago.

Most pubs aren't really pubs any more they are restaurants, a lot of pubs try to be like bistros.

It's not the second hand smoke that is the risk these days, it's the fast food and the aggressive killer Dogs :)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

For clarity, I didn't say it 'caused' pubs to thrive. But that they did, despite the scaremongering.

Which is true. Some suffered, but for all sorts of reasons. Others thrived, and some shifted focus and then thrived.

As I said earlier in the thread, any pubs that relied on being a place to smoke to be successful, good riddance.

Well that was the clear implication of what you typed. But hey ho.

I can sense the anti smoking aggression is strong in you Coatigan.

 

[Coatigan]

Exactly. Thank fuck it’s been firmly binned into the past in this country.

The number of people here that have said they remember times when you could smoke in hospitals and planes, with an undercurrant of disbelief of how mental it was. Not how good it was, how misguided it was.

There are probably more that would say the same for the indoor ban in pubs now, if pushed, the percentage of people that think it was better is likely to be low, even some smokers would agree there.

And I am willing to bet that if this comes to pass, the same will be said about beer gardens, in a decade or so.

Attidudes sometimes only shift after a change, there is always some resistance. Most often not because people think something is a worth actually keeping, but because they don't like change, and don't like being told what to do. At least that is the case on this thread, evidently.

 

[Coatigan]

Well that was the clear implication of what you typed. But hey ho.

I can sense the anti smoking aggression is strong in you Coatigan.

Reading it back, I don't see that implication. But glad we clarified it.

Nothing good ever came out of smoking. People will adjust to its reduction, limits and hopefully ultimate demise. And everyone will be better off for it.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Before the pub smoking ban came in, there was a smoke free pub in Shrewsbury called the Three Fishes.
I often went for afternoons out there, not only because it was smoke free, but it also had a fantastic range of beer, and the locals seemed pretty sociable.
It gave a glimpse of what came in a few years later, and I'm really grateful for not having to go home stinking of 2nd hand smoke. Remember having a shower the morning after a night in a smokey pub and that stench coming out of your hair? Absolutely rank!
The only reoccurance of smokey pubs I've experienced in recent years was when I did Dinamo Zagreb away. Smoking was still permitted in pubs in Croatia (not sure if it still is) and it was actually a bit of a culture shock.

Smoking is still allowed indoors in Greece and belive it or not Japan.

 

[ballbag]

Most pubs aren't really pubs any more they are restaurants, a lot of pubs try to be like bistros.

It's not the second hand smoke that is the risk these days, it's the fast food and the aggressive killer Dogs :)

Dogs should be on pub roofs only

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

Ridiculous, from being in a smoke filled bar as a teen....the ban was welcomed. This is extreme and will only go against bars,staff and customers.

Counter productive to the industry.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

I had to go under the water yesterday to run an errand. Someone was selling crisps at 50p a pack in the street.

Really, wow!

I think you're the most random shit poster on this entire forum.