itisrising
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Joehannes said:
The relevance is that I would prefer Deulofeu at our club than Tello.
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The relevance is that I would prefer Deulofeu at our club than Tello.
itisrising said:Joehannes said:itisrising said:Gerard Deulofeu is better than Tello.
Pedro is better than Gerard Deulofeu.
Where is the relevance in either of our commentss again?
The relevance is that I would prefer Deulofeu at our club than Tello.
I understood that, but Barca have rejected the advances a number of clubs, such as Ajax when they have approached Barca/Deulofeu with a view to a loan deal. They're not letting him out of their sites anytime soon. Whereas Tello...
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Joehannes said:itisrising said:Joehannes said:Pedro is better than Gerard Deulofeu.
Where is the relevance in either of our commentss again?
The relevance is that I would prefer Deulofeu at our club than Tello.
I understood that, but Barca have rejected the advances a number of clubs, such as Ajax when they have approached Barca/Deulofeu with a view to a loan deal. They're not letting him out of their sites anytime soon. Whereas Tello...
I just don't think Tello is all that good. He is decent player but not amazing. Montoya or Bartra would be great signings. If we could manage to sign Deulofeu, we could be looking at a future world-beater.
itisrising said:Joehannes said:itisrising said:The relevance is that I would prefer Deulofeu at our club than Tello.
I understood that, but Barca have rejected the advances a number of clubs, such as Ajax when they have approached Barca/Deulofeu with a view to a loan deal. They're not letting him out of their sites anytime soon. Whereas Tello...
I just don't think Tello is all that good. He is decent player but not amazing. Montoya or Bartra would be great signings. If we could manage to sign Deulofeu, we could be looking at a future world-beater.
I don't think Tello is that good either, but he could be an absolutely fantastic signing as he's kind of what we need. I agree about Montoya and Bartra in terms of ability but we already have Nastasic and Rekik, two very good, young centre-backs. We're pretty well-stocked at right-back as well, despite our current injury problems.
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Joehannes said:itisrising said:Joehannes said:I understood that, but Barca have rejected the advances a number of clubs, such as Ajax when they have approached Barca/Deulofeu with a view to a loan deal. They're not letting him out of their sites anytime soon. Whereas Tello...
I just don't think Tello is all that good. He is decent player but not amazing. Montoya or Bartra would be great signings. If we could manage to sign Deulofeu, we could be looking at a future world-beater.
I don't think Tello is that good either, but he could be an absolutely fantastic signing as he's kind of what we need. I agree about Montoya and Bartra in terms of ability but we already have Nastasic and Rekik, two very good, young centre-backs. We're pretty well-stocked at right-back as well, despite our current injury problems.
My basic point is that from the current crop of Barca young talents, Tello certainly isn't the best. Thiago would be better for us, Roberto would be fantastic. We should be aiming higher than Tello in all honesty.
itisrising said:Joehannes said:itisrising said:I just don't think Tello is all that good. He is decent player but not amazing. Montoya or Bartra would be great signings. If we could manage to sign Deulofeu, we could be looking at a future world-beater.
I don't think Tello is that good either, but he could be an absolutely fantastic signing as he's kind of what we need. I agree about Montoya and Bartra in terms of ability but we already have Nastasic and Rekik, two very good, young centre-backs. We're pretty well-stocked at right-back as well, despite our current injury problems.
My basic point is that from the current crop of Barca young talents, Tello certainly isn't the best. Thiago would be better for us, Roberto would be fantastic. We should be aiming higher than Tello in all honesty.
Why should Tello be the only one? ;)
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Joehannes said:itisrising said:Joehannes said:I don't think Tello is that good either, but he could be an absolutely fantastic signing as he's kind of what we need. I agree about Montoya and Bartra in terms of ability but we already have Nastasic and Rekik, two very good, young centre-backs. We're pretty well-stocked at right-back as well, despite our current injury problems.
My basic point is that from the current crop of Barca young talents, Tello certainly isn't the best. Thiago would be better for us, Roberto would be fantastic. We should be aiming higher than Tello in all honesty.
Why should Tello be the only one? ;)
I like your thinking.
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There are three options we can take if we want any of Barca's team:
1) Pay over the odds for one of their first teamers
2) Take one of their out of favour players
3) Go for the youngsters
Having the Barca connection now may count for something, as they may still have contacts and, I believe, to have been appointed such positions at our club they must be pretty much the best at what we want them to do. There again, they don't actually work there any more and it's dangerous for us to assume they are still on good terms with their ex-team. Often break ups are messy.
However, even with taking some youngsters we have to be very careful - we need to seriously analyze what we need and then go for it. If we take players just because they were at Barca and so should be pretty good one day, then we could end up ruining the player and ruining our reputation as a progressive football team. Gai Assulin - a player we took on and for one reason or another didn't see his talents emerge. Can't afford to keep wasting our efforts like that, only for him to likely develop elsewhere later in his career.
Lots of work to be done - am sure there are talks planned with Mancini for what he thinks we need, where we are weak. Then these guys will want to see if for themselves. Then, and only then, will talks begin. Personally, I hope we have deals tied up before the window starts, but it's not always that easy.
And, I'm sure, if Lionel wants a new challenge, we'll be first in his ear. The key with such deals is often winning them over before news gets out. Have him thinking of City before the press report that he wants out, and the likes of PSG, Chelsea and so on get involved, and we'd be very well positioned. Though, really, ain't gonna happen that one.
Have a feeling Fabregas would be of interest to us, whether Nasri and Clichy being here would be enough to get over his love of Arsenal is a question to be asked. We'll see. Undoubtedly their key knowledge will be of the Spanish game, Barca, and of the top teams in Europe. By Christmas we'll know which big teams, (besides us) won't be in the CL any longer, and we can also look to use that as leverage.
1) Pay over the odds for one of their first teamers
2) Take one of their out of favour players
3) Go for the youngsters
Having the Barca connection now may count for something, as they may still have contacts and, I believe, to have been appointed such positions at our club they must be pretty much the best at what we want them to do. There again, they don't actually work there any more and it's dangerous for us to assume they are still on good terms with their ex-team. Often break ups are messy.
However, even with taking some youngsters we have to be very careful - we need to seriously analyze what we need and then go for it. If we take players just because they were at Barca and so should be pretty good one day, then we could end up ruining the player and ruining our reputation as a progressive football team. Gai Assulin - a player we took on and for one reason or another didn't see his talents emerge. Can't afford to keep wasting our efforts like that, only for him to likely develop elsewhere later in his career.
Lots of work to be done - am sure there are talks planned with Mancini for what he thinks we need, where we are weak. Then these guys will want to see if for themselves. Then, and only then, will talks begin. Personally, I hope we have deals tied up before the window starts, but it's not always that easy.
And, I'm sure, if Lionel wants a new challenge, we'll be first in his ear. The key with such deals is often winning them over before news gets out. Have him thinking of City before the press report that he wants out, and the likes of PSG, Chelsea and so on get involved, and we'd be very well positioned. Though, really, ain't gonna happen that one.
Have a feeling Fabregas would be of interest to us, whether Nasri and Clichy being here would be enough to get over his love of Arsenal is a question to be asked. We'll see. Undoubtedly their key knowledge will be of the Spanish game, Barca, and of the top teams in Europe. By Christmas we'll know which big teams, (besides us) won't be in the CL any longer, and we can also look to use that as leverage.
I was given a lot of hope when it came out that we were interested in Fabregas and Busquets, as they're arguably the two players outside of Messi that would improve us more than any other. Highly doubt either are attainable though. They'll both likely stay their until they're past it. I'm sure Busquets especially enjoys the special treatment they receive as one of the biggest clubs in the world.
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Fabregas is the 2nd best AM in the world. Him and Iniesta are on par imo. Fabregas is simply amazing. Him linking up with Silva would be amazing. Fabregas is 1000000x the player that Nasri is. Watch a match of Barcelona and count the amount of key passes Fabregas makes.
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La Masia is not just arguably the best academy in the world, but also a very interesting academy in how it promotes its youth to the first team; La Masia can be be looked at as flawed.
If you read Graham Hunter's Barca book, he mentions how the likes of Pique and Fabregas get to the age of 16, get bored at academy level because they are scoring ridiculous amounts of goals and winning games by cricket scores, these players cannot sign professional contracts until the age of 18 and struggle to make the Barca first team because there is no room. That is why the likes of Arsenal and United came in to snap up the players mentioned an offer them good money and first team football.
Whether La Masia can generate and carry on such a great golden generation of talent remains to be be seen, but currently they have such a pool of talent that they just cannot all be promoted to the first team. There are some absolute pre - world class kids in their academy waiting for their chance, but with the likes of Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Fabregas etc.. It is hard to break through!
I can definately see some La Masia scouting being put in place now we have FS and TB on the board, some of them kids at La Masia are by far good enough to make first team football in the Premier League!
If you read Graham Hunter's Barca book, he mentions how the likes of Pique and Fabregas get to the age of 16, get bored at academy level because they are scoring ridiculous amounts of goals and winning games by cricket scores, these players cannot sign professional contracts until the age of 18 and struggle to make the Barca first team because there is no room. That is why the likes of Arsenal and United came in to snap up the players mentioned an offer them good money and first team football.
Whether La Masia can generate and carry on such a great golden generation of talent remains to be be seen, but currently they have such a pool of talent that they just cannot all be promoted to the first team. There are some absolute pre - world class kids in their academy waiting for their chance, but with the likes of Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Fabregas etc.. It is hard to break through!
I can definately see some La Masia scouting being put in place now we have FS and TB on the board, some of them kids at La Masia are by far good enough to make first team football in the Premier League!
sam-caddick said:La Masia is not just arguably the best academy in the world, but also a very interesting academy in how it promotes its youth to the first team; La Masia can be be looked at as flawed.
If you read Graham Hunter's Barca book, he mentions how the likes of Pique and Fabregas get to the age of 16, get bored at academy level because they are scoring ridiculous amounts of goals and winning games by cricket scores, these players cannot sign professional contracts until the age of 18 and struggle to make the Barca first team because there is no room. That is why the likes of Arsenal and United came in to snap up the players mentioned an offer them good money and first team football.
Whether La Masia can generate and carry on such a great golden generation of talent remains to be be seen, but currently they have such a pool of talent that they just cannot all be promoted to the first team. There are some absolute pre - world class kids in their academy waiting for their chance, but with the likes of Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Fabregas etc.. It is hard to break through!
I can definately see some La Masia scouting being put in place now we have FS and TB on the board, some of them kids at La Masia are by far good enough to make first team football in the Premier League!
Sam I read the book its an excellent read, he also made reference to the nonsense that went on which meant it took 7 years to build there new youth and training center because they ran out of money. It was as much to do with contractual law and the insane politics of running Barcelona as boredom.
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I don't rate Fabregas that highly, our national cockney-biased press bigged him up well beyond his actual abilities.
The player I would love us to sign and who might be gettablethat nobody has mentioned yet, is Pedro. He is young and therefore only a fringe player at Barca but in my opinion is at least as good a winger if not better than Edin Hazard, the current media darling.
The player I would love us to sign and who might be gettablethat nobody has mentioned yet, is Pedro. He is young and therefore only a fringe player at Barca but in my opinion is at least as good a winger if not better than Edin Hazard, the current media darling.
Adidas Barry Silkman said:I don't rate Fabregas that highly, our national cockney-biased press bigged him up well beyond his actual abilities.
The player I would love us to sign and who might be gettablethat nobody has mentioned yet, is Pedro. He is young and therefore only a fringe player at Barca but in my opinion is at least as good a winger if not better than Edin Hazard, the current media darling.
Pedro is 25, not exactly young, but yes, he is awesome. However, I'd say he is far from a fringe player.
Deulofeu is 18 and will be better than both Pedro and Hazard. Right now it won't be easy to lay there because of Villa, Messi, Alexis, Pedro, Tello, Cuenca and probably Neymar soon. Plus he's got only 1,5 years left on his contract so really hope Txiki will try to sign him.
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Adidas Barry Silkman said:I don't rate Fabregas that highly, our national cockney-biased press bigged him up well beyond his actual abilities.
The player I would love us to sign and who might be gettablethat nobody has mentioned yet, is Pedro. He is young and therefore only a fringe player at Barca but in my opinion is at least as good a winger if not better than Edin Hazard, the current media darling.
Mentioned here on many occasions mate. And yes, he would be immense in our system and provide something we dearly miss.<br /><br />-- Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:46 am --<br /><br />
bapi said:Deulofeu is 18 and will be better than both Pedro and Hazard. Right now it won't be easy to lay there because of Villa, Messi, Alexis, Pedro, Tello, Cuenca and probably Neymar soon. Plus he's got only 1,5 years left on his contract so really hope Txiki will try to sign him.
This is who we should be after, together with Isco.