Big Nige Dropped From Dutch Squad {merged}

[Ricster]

Re: Big Nige Dropped {merged}

How the fuck is it reckless if he won the ball? Have you ever gone in for a full blooded challenge? And if so can you control your momentum?

Go and look up the word reckless in a dictionary, consider the definition contained in it and then ask yourself the question again. I think you'll find that entering into a full blooded challenge when you cannot exercise control over your momentum fits the description of reckless perfectly.

I'm a big fan of Nigel and the tackle he made on Saturday was no different than the ones he made frequently against Chelsea that earned him all the plaudits in the media last week. Having said that, if a reckless tackle is one that is disregardful or indifferent to the potential consequences of it then, no doubt about it, Nigel's a reckless tackler.

I love his effort, will to win and disagree with those who say he can only pass sideways. But I also agree with those who believe that he needs to reign it in a bit sometimes. In my opinion he didn't have to make that tackle on saturday but he did so because he was "laying down a marker".

Banning him from the squad is ridiculous though, he's obviously being made a scapegoat as the Dutch try and re-build their reputation after the world cup final.

Well we might as well ban football for being a reckless sport. Thats a shite view on it. That means every tackle is a reckless tackle then cos its not as if anyone is able to control a tackle unless we're talking about tackling with the force of dipping a toe into a bath.

Ban football, ITS RECKLESS!

 

[Bellamy's Caddy]

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Hey everyone, isnt footy going to be great once tackling is banned?

FFS.

Keep your chin up Nige, dont let the ***** get you down. Storm in a teacup.

Exactly, I hope De Jong won't let it change the way he plays the game. There's a reason he hasn't got a red card since he joined us - he isn't a dirty player.

 

[shadowplay]

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Well in that case any 50/50 ball would be reckless, how would you decide who got the ball? People would be being sent off left, right and centre.

I'm sorry but I disagree entirely. It's absolutely possible to go in whole heartedly for a 50/50 ball without being reckless. The best tacklers in the world down the years have all had that ability. Bobby Moore being a prime example in an era when the tackles really did used to fly. You can go in for a 50/50 with a calm head and keep control of your momentum. It takes bravery though and whether you or the other guy chooses to do so is a different matter! Most players I played with used to leave a foot in just to get their retaliation in first. That's not reckless, that's savvy.

 

[Damocles]

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Buck there is the problem,de jong likes to go to the ground a little too much and when he does other players always seem to be the ones coming out of it with injuries so a clever person would say to himself maybe i should try and be more careful and not be so reckless but you need to have other players well being in your head at times.

It doesn't matter how many times you say sorry because no one is making you go flying in into challenges when maybe you shouldn't have done them and could have actually been more effective staying on his feet and not risk other players well being,that is all people want,just think like a human being and not like some sort of brainless thug.

I am not a united fan and will never be as i hate man utd with their obvioys cheating and help they received from referees in the late 90s and stuff but i despise bad and reckless players.

-- Mon Oct 04, 2010 1:13 pm --

It is about knowing how to control yourself and nigel clearly has shown that he can't think properly on the football pitch.

The law says 'if the ball is there to be won legally, you can win it'. Legal tackle in the eyes of everyone except for slow motion action replays.

I guess, though, the law should be changed for Gentleman's conduct:

The ball rolls to a 50/ 50 position. De Jong is running full pelt as is Feltcher. Nige remembers Zinaldo's critique and screeching to a halt, pulls out a deerstalker, to doff with, and a pipe.

"My dear fellow, I do believe I was going a tad brisk. Bad form, that, I'm afraid. After you sir. I'll give way. Good show, sir. Tally ho..."

Ah, how we can civilise the Prem according to Rag Zinaldo.

 

[dannybcity]

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Well in that case any 50/50 ball would be reckless, how would you decide who got the ball? People would be being sent off left, right and centre.

I'm sorry but I disagree entirely. It's absolutely possible to go in whole heartedly for a 50/50 ball without being reckless. The best tacklers in the world down the years have all had that ability. Bobby Moore being a prime example in an era when the tackles really did used to fly. You can go in for a 50/50 with a calm head and keep control of your momentum. It takes bravery though and whether you or the other guy chooses to do so is a different matter! Most players I played with used to leave a foot in just to get their retaliation in first. That's not reckless, that's savvy.

Well you could then argue that Ben Arfa was reckless as his momentum also took him into De Jong.

 

[Rorz88]

Has anyone got a video of the tackle anywhere ?

 

[oxomcfc]

i live in newcastle now and stayed in manchester with 12 geordie mates and went to the game.and not one of them thought it was a red card they said it was unlucky.there fuming about some of the refs decisions and but were pleased the way they played.calderwood said it was ok.its just the media and people like collymore who just dont like city.i really hope de jong carries on playing the same for us and doesnt let it affect his game because he is awesome.

 

[dannybcity]

Has anyone got a video of the tackle anywhere ?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1sPqptGUk[/youtube]

 

[Bigga]

Re: Big Nige Dropped {merged}

Well in that case any 50/50 ball would be reckless, how would you decide who got the ball? People would be being sent off left, right and centre.

I'm sorry but I disagree entirely. It's absolutely possible to go in whole heartedly for a 50/50 ball without being reckless. The best tacklers in the world down the years have all had that ability. Bobby Moore being a prime example in an era when the tackles really did used to fly. You can go in for a 50/50 with a calm head and keep control of your momentum. It takes bravery though and whether you or the other guy chooses to do so is a different matter! Most players I played with used to leave a foot in just to get their retaliation in first. That's not reckless, that's savvy.

Okay, let's say things start happening your way. If people kept themselves from going to ground, do you think that would stop injuries? Knees can knock together, hands can fly into faces as well as elbows. There's the possibility of groin injuries increasing because bodies will clash, not unlike Barry's clash with Ivanovic.

I daresay more injuries will occur as a result, percentage-wise. More players out cost clubs more position-wise.

So, how many bans will be issued? Maybe none (de Jong didn't get one), but it will fook up many a player's season more than slide tackling will.

 

[vincent]

This is just the Dutch national federation trying to save face.

They got so much criticism for their approach at the WC and ex-players like Cryuff were saying the team were a disgrace.. So now their top brass are issuing statements against NDJ, to make it seem like they play the 'beautiful game' and Nige is the problem not the national team.

The lad is being made a scape goat for their WC performances (even though they got to the final). What a joke.