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Big Nige Dropped From Dutch Squad {merged}
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Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot
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dannybcity said:Rorz88 said:Has anyone got a video of the tackle anywhere ?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1sPqptGUk[/youtube]
Terrible challenge lock him up for life.
blueplan
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vincent said:This is just the Dutch national federation trying to save face.
They got so much criticism for their approach at the WC and ex-players like Cryuff were saying the team were a disgrace.. So now their top brass are issuing statements against NDJ, to make it seem like they play the 'beautiful game' and Nige is the problem not the national team.
The lad is being made a scape goat for their WC performances (even though they got to the final). What a joke.
PR Brilliance! With One Stroke Axing de Jong from the Dutch Team.
Yes not only is de Jong make the scapegoat now he is further damaged good!
Cunning Cunning Dutch!
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De Jong needs to wise up.
In my opinion he is gradually getting more and more carried away by fan sentiment and the ridiculous desire of some fans to always paint one of their players as "the hardest/toughest in the league."
To be honest, most of the punditry you hear on the TV and radio is complete bollocks. It is routed in a different time and a style of football that is defunct.
Do I want to take seriously the opinion of most English/Scottish ex pros who routinely bang on about 'a man's game' and 'loving a tackle'?
Not really, the game they played in and the culture they played the game is has very little relevance to the current game at the very higest level.
So when some 70s, 80s or even 90s rent a gob comes on comparing current happenings at the top of the game to the culture that they played in, it is virtually pointless.
Yet the nature of most ex pros who end up as pundits is to constantly hark back to their time and methods. See the constant calls for 'letting the game flow' at every turn, the constant calls for 4-4-2 whenever a team not playing that way has a poor run, the constant bullshit about Arsenal and even teams like City 'over passing.'
It is all, "all my yesterdays" shite.
And a lot of it applies to punditry on De Jong.
The position he plays is now a surgical position. It is played by the best players with huge energy (just like De Jong has) and with a minimum of selling yourself. I don't care if Graeme Souness was the best European midfielder for a 30 year period. His style of play could not last in todays game. Yet most English pundits and fans seem to think that it is something to aim for.
And De Jong is falling into that trap too imo. I hate the way loads of fans (often kids, but not as often as you'd think) try to convince themselves that their 'tackler' could 'have everyone. And the attitude of City fans towards De Jong on this level is well over the top. I mean, Big Nige (he's a midget and most probably nowhere near the toughest player in the squad if it really came down to a scrap), 'the destroyer' and all this shite that people call him, seemingly with their cock in their hand as they spout it.
I honestly hold the opinion that De Jong has started to buy into it.
His best performances come against the very best teams when he doesn't commit himself easily and he is an excellent player. But he is letting it all go to his head and it can't and won't suceed in the long term in the game, to the extent he could, if he goes round thinking he is just some tough tackling hard man.
He has the potential to be much better than that but over the last 12 months, amongst some top class performances, against some great teams, I've seen hints that he is buying into the teenage fantasists who romance about him being their big hard hero who is going to look after them at night.
Saying all that, I consider the tackle yesterday to be purely unlucky. Perhaps on the edge, definitely symptomatic of the above, but not hugely reckless and not worthy of the Dutch actions.
On a wider level though, someone needs to have a word with him about how to take his game to the very top of that position. How to incorporate certain aspects of Didi Hammann's (cue jibes and jokes) and Makelele's game that he is ignoring at the expense of an ego trip and hard man fantasy at present.
He can be the very best in that position, but not if his priority is living up to fantasist's masturbation fuelled fantasies of their player being "solid."
In my opinion he is gradually getting more and more carried away by fan sentiment and the ridiculous desire of some fans to always paint one of their players as "the hardest/toughest in the league."
To be honest, most of the punditry you hear on the TV and radio is complete bollocks. It is routed in a different time and a style of football that is defunct.
Do I want to take seriously the opinion of most English/Scottish ex pros who routinely bang on about 'a man's game' and 'loving a tackle'?
Not really, the game they played in and the culture they played the game is has very little relevance to the current game at the very higest level.
So when some 70s, 80s or even 90s rent a gob comes on comparing current happenings at the top of the game to the culture that they played in, it is virtually pointless.
Yet the nature of most ex pros who end up as pundits is to constantly hark back to their time and methods. See the constant calls for 'letting the game flow' at every turn, the constant calls for 4-4-2 whenever a team not playing that way has a poor run, the constant bullshit about Arsenal and even teams like City 'over passing.'
It is all, "all my yesterdays" shite.
And a lot of it applies to punditry on De Jong.
The position he plays is now a surgical position. It is played by the best players with huge energy (just like De Jong has) and with a minimum of selling yourself. I don't care if Graeme Souness was the best European midfielder for a 30 year period. His style of play could not last in todays game. Yet most English pundits and fans seem to think that it is something to aim for.
And De Jong is falling into that trap too imo. I hate the way loads of fans (often kids, but not as often as you'd think) try to convince themselves that their 'tackler' could 'have everyone. And the attitude of City fans towards De Jong on this level is well over the top. I mean, Big Nige (he's a midget and most probably nowhere near the toughest player in the squad if it really came down to a scrap), 'the destroyer' and all this shite that people call him, seemingly with their cock in their hand as they spout it.
I honestly hold the opinion that De Jong has started to buy into it.
His best performances come against the very best teams when he doesn't commit himself easily and he is an excellent player. But he is letting it all go to his head and it can't and won't suceed in the long term in the game, to the extent he could, if he goes round thinking he is just some tough tackling hard man.
He has the potential to be much better than that but over the last 12 months, amongst some top class performances, against some great teams, I've seen hints that he is buying into the teenage fantasists who romance about him being their big hard hero who is going to look after them at night.
Saying all that, I consider the tackle yesterday to be purely unlucky. Perhaps on the edge, definitely symptomatic of the above, but not hugely reckless and not worthy of the Dutch actions.
On a wider level though, someone needs to have a word with him about how to take his game to the very top of that position. How to incorporate certain aspects of Didi Hammann's (cue jibes and jokes) and Makelele's game that he is ignoring at the expense of an ego trip and hard man fantasy at present.
He can be the very best in that position, but not if his priority is living up to fantasist's masturbation fuelled fantasies of their player being "solid."
dannybcity said:Rorz88 said:Has anyone got a video of the tackle anywhere ?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1sPqptGUk[/youtube]
The more i see it the more i think had ben arfa gone in committed he wouldnt have got injured,hes limp at the point they collide.
Just an unfortunate incident but with it being international week SSN have got hours to fill
Blue Haze
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It's all politics. He'll just have to be more careful with tackles in the future. No more headliners like Ben Arfa and Alonso.
People will disagree with this, but he's got to play the politics like everyone else. Hope it doesn't affect his form.
People will disagree with this, but he's got to play the politics like everyone else. Hope it doesn't affect his form.
kippaxblue76
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vincent said:This is just the Dutch national federation trying to save face.
They got so much criticism for their approach at the WC and ex-players like Cryuff were saying the team were a disgrace.. So now their top brass are issuing statements against NDJ, to make it seem like they play the 'beautiful game' and Nige is the problem not the national team.
The lad is being made a scape goat for their WC performances (even though they got to the final). What a joke.
Pretty much this and just to confirm it the manager who has dropped him was the same manager who sent out his Dutch team to kick the shit out of Spain in the WCF, total bollox.
JohnMaddocksAxe
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I am commenting on what I see as an increased propensity for wanting to put in 'the big tackle' that I think has become more apparent in his game over the last 18 months.
Combined with the rise of his stock as some sort of he-man fantasy figure amongst many fans, I am summising that he may actually have overly bought into the image.
I'm not claiming to be Mystic Meg, but whatever the reasons, he is certainly receiving more press as a 'hard man' recently and doesn't give a very good impression of trying to avoid playing up to it.
I'm sure the 'Big Nige' monikor is ironic in many cases. I'm also sure that there are a huge number of City fans, as there are at every club and always has been, who are desperate to see 'their man' as a he-man esque hero to suit their outlook.
Combined with the rise of his stock as some sort of he-man fantasy figure amongst many fans, I am summising that he may actually have overly bought into the image.
I'm not claiming to be Mystic Meg, but whatever the reasons, he is certainly receiving more press as a 'hard man' recently and doesn't give a very good impression of trying to avoid playing up to it.
I'm sure the 'Big Nige' monikor is ironic in many cases. I'm also sure that there are a huge number of City fans, as there are at every club and always has been, who are desperate to see 'their man' as a he-man esque hero to suit their outlook.