Lancet Fluke said:Greyco said:Van Bommel isn't popular with supporters of Dutch Total Football, they'd rather see a player like Janssen take his place. But I can't think of Van Bommel taking out 2 players for months with broken bones.
Do you think it is reasonable to judge a challenge only on the injury that the other player receives? I really don't think it was a bad challenge, you see tackles like that in every premier League match it was just really unlucky that the guy's leg got bust. I reckon you see much worse tackles every week that don't happen to cause a bad injury (luck not judgement) but people would not react like this.
Well that's the problem isn't it? There are so many bad challenges without anyone taken responsibility that people get used to them. That tackle of Henry the other day would cause an outburst of disgrace in most other leagues. Here it's just a hard challenge that (even maybe to some) warranted a red card. In other leagues they'd be shouting for a lengthened ban.I really don't think it was a bad challenge, you see tackles like that in every premier League match it was just really unlucky that the guy's leg got bust. I reckon you see much worse tackles every week that don't happen to cause a bad injury (luck not judgement) but people would not react like this.
BillyShears said:The irony is that the current Dutch coach is the one who betrayed Holland's footballing ethos at the WC by setting his team out to stifle, kick, and annoy the opposition rather than passing them to death...
Now this **** wants to hang Nigel out to dry...I have to say that with each passing minute this decision is making me angrier and angrier.
That's all fair enough and understandable, but where was the malice and intent in that challenge yesterday?Greyco said:Lancet Fluke said:Do you think it is reasonable to judge a challenge only on the injury that the other player receives? I really don't think it was a bad challenge, you see tackles like that in every premier League match it was just really unlucky that the guy's leg got bust. I reckon you see much worse tackles every week that don't happen to cause a bad injury (luck not judgement) but people would not react like this.
Like I said, Van Bommel is also a reckless player and I won't defend him. There are plenty of voices asking to drop Van Bommel for the same reason as De Jong. After the WC there was plenty of criticism in the Netherlands for the way this team damaged the legacy build up by teams gone before them. The Spanish team is build on the foundations of Barcelona. Barcelona who follow the Cruyff-philosophy which is the style of Dutch total football in the seventies. After the final you'd understand the controversy in the Netherlands...
You'd expect them to be debriefed after the WC and that they discussed this. If a player like De Jong doesn't respond to this new policy, it's an understanding decision to drop him.
Well that's the problem isn't it? There are so many bad challenges without anyone taken responsibility that people get used to them. That tackle of Henry the other day would cause an outburst of disgrace in most other leagues. Here it's just a hard challenge that (even maybe to some) warranted a red card. In other leagues they'd be shouting for a lengthened ban.I really don't think it was a bad challenge, you see tackles like that in every premier League match it was just really unlucky that the guy's leg got bust. I reckon you see much worse tackles every week that don't happen to cause a bad injury (luck not judgement) but people would not react like this.
Sure football is a contact sport and there is a physical aspect to it but in the EPL there have been how many bad injuries because of bad tackles? Too many.
In the Netherlands and other countries, like Belgium after the Wasilewski-Witsel incident, there have been discussions addressing this rise in malicious tackles for some years. And I can fully understand and support them if they don't want to see those kind of challenges in their football-culture.
Agreed, Marwijks system revolved around tough tackling and hard work, Nige was clearly ono of his most important players as they beat Brazil and Uruguay.mcmanus said:BillyShears said:The irony is that the current Dutch coach is the one who betrayed Holland's footballing ethos at the WC by setting his team out to stifle, kick, and annoy the opposition rather than passing them to death...
Now this **** wants to hang Nigel out to dry...I have to say that with each passing minute this decision is making me angrier and angrier.
Bang on