Big Tech censorship | Trump Banned from Twitter

[Rascal]

No kidding. Then change the title of thread to "corporations have no virtues." Because that's what you really want to talk about (with yourself).

You have refused to debate that is from the start because of your visceral hatred of Trump, you do not agree with my stance which is fair enough Mr Fog, but try and debate it rather than continually dismissing it.

I was simply stating fact about my political beliefs, you beliefs are opposite to mine, which again is fair enough but let go of your hatred and try and be rational. Your country needs a healthy dose of rationality, at the moment it certainly is not coming from you.

Do you really want a country that once it is rid of Trump, becomes a country run by corporate decree as there hold on the levers of power increases. What can Biden achieve if the threat of corporate power hangs over him. It diminishes his power and the power of your democracy. Do you really want the USA to become the CSA (not Confederacy) Corporate States of America.

Is it not time you concentrated on reclaiming your democracy rather than diminishing the administration just passing.

OK, i am not living your life, i am not privy to the day to day workings of it and the malevolence that Trump has unleashed but continuing that malevolence serves no end but Trump's and the corporations.

 

[Rascal]

Yep. He’s a Marxist and would nationalise the tech companies (well and all other companies) but we already know that doesn’t work in practice so he likes to vent on here and is harmless enough.

Anyway, a quick flowchart on censorship.

Morning Sam :))

Yes I would nationalise them, yes I would nationalise most things although Lenin was in favour of small amounts of capitalist enterprise, such as local shops and probably garden centres.

Big tech companies benefit from state innovation, why should a monied elite benefit from the public purse and then why should they use that benefit to influence politics by virtue of being free of state control.

You will see the light Comrade.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

You have refused to debate that is from the start because of your visceral hatred of Trump, you do not agree with my stance which is fair enough Mr Fog, but try and debate it rather than continually dismissing it.

I was simply stating fact about my political beliefs, you beliefs are opposite to mine, which again is fair enough but let go of your hatred and try and be rational. Your country needs a healthy dose of rationality, at the moment it certainly is not coming from you.

Do you really want a country that once it is rid of Trump, becomes a country run by corporate decree as there hold on the levers of power increases. What can Biden achieve if the threat of corporate power hangs over him. It diminishes his power and the power of your democracy. Do you really want the USA to become the CSA (not Confederacy) Corporate States of America.

Is it not time you concentrated on reclaiming your democracy rather than diminishing the administration just passing.

OK, i am not living your life, i am not privy to the day to day workings of it and the malevolence that Trump has unleashed but continuing that malevolence serves no end but Trump's and the corporations.

I don't like Trump because he's the closest thing to a totalitarian this nation has had as a leader.

I don't like you for the same reason.

I don't like totalitarians. I'd rather have oligarchy. I get more choices that way.

You've already decided Biden's presidency is fruitless and over before it has started -- exactly what a totalitarian would assume, and exactly what a less-than-sharp totalitarian would post.

Does Amazon have too much power? Yes IMO. But you don't think that's specific to Amazon. Because Amazon is a corporation, it's definitional. My Pilates instructor is incorporated. So is my dentist. So is the 600-person company I work for. I'll speak with all of them tomorrow. I wonder what they'll think about your absolutism.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Morning Sam :))

Yes I would nationalise them, yes I would nationalise most things although Lenin was in favour of small amounts of capitalist enterprise, such as local shops and probably garden centres.

Big tech companies benefit from state innovation, why should a monied elite benefit from the public purse and then why should they use that benefit to influence politics by virtue of being free of state control.

You will see the light Comrade.

Nearly every corporation in existence ever started as a "local shop". I'm sure you'll us when they trip the wire and turn evil though. I guess it's when they become "big."

"Free of state control" -- LOL -- you may read Umberto Eco, but maybe you should mix in a few other things like, you know, laws.

Un-fucking-believable.

 

[Rascal]

I don't like Trump because he's the closest thing to a totalitarian this nation has had as a leader.

I don't like you for the same reason.

I don't like totalitarians. I'd rather have oligarchy. I get more choices that way.

You've already decided Biden's presidency is fruitless and over before it has started -- exactly what a totalitarian would assume, and exactly what a less-than-sharp totalitarian would post.

Oh! Mr Fog why so personal all the time. I think you are cuddly and fun.

I would say though that despite my numerous posts extolling the virtues of democracy it is beyond me how you come to the conclusion i am a totalitarian. Strange one that.

And if you cannot see that Oligarchy is a form of totalitarianism, perhaps it is you who is comfortable with Fascism.

Anyway time for my coco pops, keep smiling Comrade.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Oh! Mr Fog why so personal all the time. I think you are cuddly and fun.

I would say though that despite my numerous posts extolling the virtues of democracy it is beyond me how you come to the conclusion i am a totalitarian. Strange one that.

And if you cannot see that Oligarchy is a form of totalitarianism, perhaps it is you who is comfortable with Fascism.

Anyway time for my coco pops, keep smiling Comrade.

If the people vote for free enterprise, which they have, and do, regularly, or for more stringent regulation of free enterprise, which they have, and do, regularly -- that's democracy.

You oppose their ability to do. You're a totalitarian. You oppose democracy. You oppose Fascist ideals, but not Fascist methodology of rule and subjugation.

It's not personal. It's your politics.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

A Marxist leveraging tech infrastructure built by corporate collectivism. Unless he's stealing everything he uses or owns, he's a hypocrite. I have the same problem with Libertarians. They talk and talk, and then when they log off for the evening, they're right back in the world, taking advantage of what they are lucky enough to access -- whether it's the public roads Libertarians don't want to pay for (because there is no such thing as a "social good") or the microwave Marxists use to cook the macaroni and cheese they subsist on (built and delivered by the corporations they decry).

Marxists and libertarians hate each other, and they never recognize that they are exactly the same. They're puritans (in their own minds, not in action, because they're hypocrites). And you know what Robert Christgau said about puritans: "Revolutionaries tend to be puritans. And the reason revolutionaries start so few revolutions is that puritans are a pain in the ass."

This argument seems to be quite similar to Mensch's objection to occupy.



If you live in a capitalist economy then you don't have much choice of living within the confines of economic reality. That rule applies to the marxist trying to escape to the hypothetical socialist utopia on the other side of the world. If he seeks to get there, he will obliged to use his labour to earn the money to pay for the ticket, and then travel on commercially operated and privately owned transportation. It also applies to cooperatives like Mondragon, despite having good pay and conditions for their own staff, they are forced to operate exploitative practices in South America in order to make the profit to survive in a capitalist economy. It's a pretty low threshold for hypocrisy.

An alternative economic model could produce food and a method of cooking it. Would a stateless society be able to build and maintain publicly accessible roads without a collectivist body to organise it and collect the fund required?

Unlike Rascal I am not a proponent of Marxism or Communism. I would wish to see more state involvement in the economy in terms of funding research and development , public ownership in key sectors such as public transport and energy, and more cooperative worker owned businesses. It's realistic to believe that our current form of capitalism will die within my lifetime (I'm a millennial), you can't say the same about all capitalism.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If I can get banned from Twitter for inciting a riot, why shouldn’t a president be banned for the same thing?

This is a global platform, so how can any one government legislate it?

I’m pretty certain anyone who has a Twitter account has to agree to t’s & c’s so if you break them.....you get banned.

I’ve probably missed Rascal’s initial point, but regardless, the social media genie is out of the lantern & I don’t think anyone other than the owners of said sites have the option of what’s posted. Can’t see much changing in the future

There's a bigger picture to it though. What if trump owned Twitter and he kicked out everyone who disagreed with him or he promoted conspiracy theories. And like you say he would be allowed because he sets the t&c.

I think we were lucky twitter and fb are quite anti trump.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

There's a bigger picture to it though. What if trump owned Twitter and he kicked out everyone who disagreed with him or he promoted conspiracy theories. And like you say he would be allowed because he sets the t&c.

I think we were lucky twitter and fb are quite anti trump.

If Trump owned Twitter it never would have got off the ground. And a social media platform that banned everyone who disagreed with its owner would find itself very quickly superseded by other platforms, unless it was allowed to engage in anti-competitive, monopolistic practices. That's why a well-regulated market is the best solution all round.

 

[Rascal]

If the people vote for free enterprise, which they have, and do, regularly, or for more stringent regulation of free enterprise, which they have, and do, regularly -- that's democracy.

You oppose their ability to do. You're a totalitarian. You oppose democracy. You oppose Fascist ideals, but not Fascist methodology of rule and subjugation.

It's not personal. It's your politics.

I do not oppose Democracy, i oppose the subjugation of democracy by corporations. I am a Democratic Socialist, although I would support a proletarian revolution that took power from the elite and passed it to the proletariat. Capitalism is inherently flawed and the effects of it are clear in the banning of Trump from a corporate Capitalist platform. I am anti fascist, just as I am anti capitalist, because Fascism is a corruption of capitalism that leads to corporations benefitting from fascist totalitarian control.

I imagine it is in your upbringing as an American to hate all things to the left of Conservatism, because your nation is a fully capitalist state that believes in the free market, I do not believe in free markets, i believe in regulated markets and public ownership of vital resource and industry. I see Conservatism as inherent to fascism, I see liberalism as a flawed concept because it can place the individual need above the collective need and thus is anti human nature.

It may be my politics you do not like, but that is because my politics is alien to you and is I imagine very rare in the USA because of your history as a free market country that believes in individualism rather than collective responsibility. In the UK though collectivism/Socialism has given us things like healthcare free at the point of use, nobody dies in our country because they lack money.

I am as much a product of my upbringing as you are of yours.

Meanwhile I have been reading twitter and much to my amusement, there are a number of prominent RW figures claiming that worldwide the left will be celebrating a handful of Billionaires exercising authority over the US President, and it is the left who are trying to incite an ideological war against the right of centre yet this old lefty is the one arguing against there control. Perhaps it is the right of centre who really are the clueless cunts when it comes down to it.