Birmingham bankrupt

TonyColemansbagofapples said:
The media run this country. Corrupt as fuck. Owned by the wealthy, print what benefits the wealthy (look at teams playing in red for easy examples). We may as well live in China, Russia or Korea.
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And there is the point. They even make you think what they want, thus allowing them to take even more while you’re distracted.

They sell you a dream of being part of the establishment, then set policies to take away what you thought was yours and pass it around themselves.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
The post office don't deliver parcels or letters do they?
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They do to my house - fucking daily most days as my daughter loves a bit of on-line shopping lol -may get a desk set up in the porch marked "RECEPTION" to greet them - maybe a few leaflets for local attractions ha ha ha
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
No, I comprehend perfectly well.

People who kick up about good terms and conditions obviously aren't particularly fussed if they are diluted.
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Who is kicking up about about good terms and conditions ?

Apart from yourself that is !

This thread is supposed to be abouth Birmingham council filing for bankruptcy (in as much as a council technically can), but as usual it's turned into perceived left vs right with personal jibes being thrown, and most ly by the usual folk.

Back to basics, the management of the council is disgraceful at the executive levels. They knew all about these costs for many years, yet never budgeted for them, just the same as our government knew about the costs of the concrete in schools many years ago, and through more than one or two administrations. Is that competant behavior ?

Yet it will be the good old taxpayer bailing these shysters out whilst they face no repercussions, or swan on to their next executive club job !
 
Ducado said:
We are paying a £31bn for the Trident replacement, for a start

The painful truth is that government spending has not kept up with the population or the demographic of the population (we have lot more elderly people living longer than ever)

You do make a point about expensive contrats, mainly given to companies wo have some form of connection with the Tory party
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Ghandi's Flip Flops said:
Assume when you say Trident you mean the ballistic missile sub replacements.
Just curious if you consider them worthwhile? (And I don't mean value for money)
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£205 billion ......

www.independent.co.uk

Lifetime cost of replacing Trident is at least £205bn, latest estimate suggests

The latest estimates take into account decommissioning and other related costs of renewal
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
MouldensChippy said:
Who is kicking up about about good terms and conditions ?

Apart from yourself that is !

This thread is supposed to be abouth Birmingham council filing for bankruptcy (in as much as a council technically can), but as usual it's turned into perceived left vs right with personal jibes being thrown, and most ly by the usual folk.

Back to basics, the management of the council is disgraceful at the executive levels. They knew all about these costs for many years, yet never budgeted for them, just the same as our government knew about the costs of the concrete in schools many years ago, and through more than one or two administrations. Is that competant behavior ?

Yet it will be the good old taxpayer bailing these shysters out whilst they face no repercussions, or swan on to their next executive club job !
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Every council knows about what's coming.

www.bbc.co.uk

Black hole in town hall budgets rises to £5bn

Unison warns some councils will be unable to provide basic services.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The good old taxpayer? The ones who voted for Tory tax cuts paid for by cutting funding to councils and now complaining about the consequences? That's you, that is.
 
Vic said:
The good old taxpayer? The ones who voted for Tory tax cuts paid for by cutting funding to councils and now complaining about the consequences? That's you, that is.
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I see that you are another that only picks, and chooses the bits you want to comprehend, and ignore the rest. Then you go on to scream hysterically that anyone that veers from your opinion is a TORY.

You've done it before, it gets boring really fast, and isn't true no matter how much you wish it were. Neither does it change the fact that they knew all about this, incompetantly chose to ignore it in all likeliness hoping to pass it on to the taxpayer.

The same problem has occurred in every council up and down the country after the court case, not every councils executives are dealing with it this way.
 
Vic said:
Every council knows about what's coming.

www.bbc.co.uk

Black hole in town hall budgets rises to £5bn

Unison warns some councils will be unable to provide basic services.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

The good old taxpayer? The ones who voted for Tory tax cuts paid for by cutting funding to councils and now complaining about the consequences? That's you, that is.
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They do ..... but for some reason there's not as much noise.

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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
£205 billion ......

www.independent.co.uk

Lifetime cost of replacing Trident is at least £205bn, latest estimate suggests

The latest estimates take into account decommissioning and other related costs of renewal
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Hmmm, how much trust do you put into a 7 year old report instigated/ compiled by CND groups?

Plus on the back of go ahead for Trident replacement, you've also got the astute class (fast attack) subs replacement using a lot of the same new developed technology.

This pretty much secures work for places like Barrow well past 2050.

One of the reasons I posed the original question is due to seeing what happened after the privatisation of the electricity board years back. All work on nuclear power stations was stopped and scrapped (due to future decommissioning costs) , and a vast wealth of nuclear experience and jobs disappeared to the French over the subsequent years.
 
MouldensChippy said:
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Yet it will be the good old taxpayer bailing these shysters out whilst they face no repercussions, or swan on to their next executive club job !
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Local Govt is funded by taxes, so not entirely sure how else the problem will be solved. Perhaps if we hadn’t spent years underfunding local Govt - and pretty much everything else - we wouldn't be in this mess.

We voted in people who promised to underfund public services so you can’t say they didn’t deliver on their promises :)
 
Tax cuts benefit only the rich.
I've never understood why anyone who relies on government services (that's probably 95% of us) would vote for low tax, and consequently, low spending on essential services yet a lot of ordinary people have bought into this hype.
The chickens seem to be coming home to roost.
 
BobKowalski said:
Local Govt is funded by taxes, so not entirely sure how else the problem will be solved. Perhaps if we hadn’t spent years underfunding local Govt - and pretty much everything else - we wouldn't be in this mess.

We voted in people who promised to underfund public services so you can’t say they didn’t deliver on their promises :)
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Perhaps if the councils hadn't spent decades underpaying their female employees, or maybe if the courts hadn't found it unlawful we wouldn't be in thiis mess.

Perhaps if highly paid executives who are well paid to sort out, and alleviate problems took some responsibility for something they knew about we wouldn't be in this mess.

There are lots of perhaps, but here we are. Perhaps every council in the country could down tools and declare bankruptcy, that'll show them hey ?
 
goalmole said:
Tax cuts benefit only the rich.
I've never understood why anyone who relies on government services (that's probably 95% of us) would vote for low tax, and consequently, low spending on essential services yet a lot of ordinary people have bought into this hype.
The chickens seem to be coming home to roost.
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They get told it will be done by cutting ‘waste’ and getting rid of useless management and bureaucracy so you can have the same level of service for less money.

The reality is reduction or elimination of services.
 
MouldensChippy said:
Perhaps if the councils hadn't spent decades underpaying their female employees, or maybe if the courts hadn't found it unlawful we wouldn't be in thiis mess.

Perhaps if highly paid executives who are well paid to sort out, and alleviate problems took some responsibility for something they knew about we wouldn't be in this mess.

There are lots of perhaps, but here we are. Perhaps every council in the country could down tools and declare bankruptcy, that'll show them hey ?
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If a local authority cannot meet its obligations then it will declare bankruptcy. The alternative is increased funding from the national Govt and/or local taxation. The problem is lack of money and the solution is more money. And the source of that money is tax revenue either directly or indirectly.

Long term the solution is to fund local governments properly and employ good managers and administrators and enough of them to the job. This will also cost money.

Everything else is just pointless whining.
 
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