AlexWilliamsGloves
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"if" he gets done, he wont go to prison.
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Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges
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"if" he gets done, he wont go to prison.
hilts
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"if" he gets done, he wont go to prison.
That’s conjecture at this stage.
AlexWilliamsGloves
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Hes the fall guy for them all....he'll get done, go to "jail" (wont go to jail)...and then he and his family will be set up for life.
Kazzydeyna
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I agree that it needed the highest levels of scrutiny, and it's had it, the enquiry went on for donkey's years.
I wouldn't equate it to that analogy, personally, but even if I accept it, we keep coming back to why one
and not the others, so it's not a discussion that appears to be moving, the soldier may be a ruthless, cold bloodied
murdering bastard, who deliberately, and knowingly, shot people.
The same as the ones who received get off letters, so round and round we go.
But the soldier was offered full and permanent immunity in response to telling the whole and complete truth about his actions.
He refused to do so. He was by accounts incredibly and increasingly smug about his actions.
He will get his day in court. And god willing follow it by also getting the rest of his days in a prison cell.
He is, by any definition, a state sponsored murderer .
mancity2012_eamo
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Allegedly.But the soldier was offered full and permanent immunity in response to telling the whole and complete truth about his actions.
He refused to do so. He was by accounts incredibly and increasingly smug about his actions.
He will get his day in court. And god willing follow it by also getting the rest of his days in a prison cell.
He is, by any definition, a state sponsored murderer .
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blueinsa
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But the soldier was offered full and permanent immunity in response to telling the whole and complete truth about his actions.
He refused to do so. He was by accounts incredibly and increasingly smug about his actions.
He will get his day in court. And god willing follow it by also getting the rest of his days in a prison cell.
He is, by any definition, a state sponsored murderer .
Other than by yourself and those liking your drivel, has he been found guilty?
Kazzydeyna
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Other than by yourself and those liking your drivel, has he been found guilty?
No he hasn't. And maybe he won't be. But he WILL face trial when so many other soldiers haven't . Have you ever asked yourself why he has been singled out for prosecution.?
It couldn't be because there is a case to answer could it?
If he gets found not guilty after a fair trial, fair enough, he will be free to get on with his Life. Bit there is a reason he is facing trial and it isn't because of any alleged republican sympathising from the UK establishment. The last thing they would want is a show trial but there is a reason THIS soldier was 'singled out' for prosecution.
Those with a long enough memory will recall that the civil rights marches of the late 1960s were a demand by the Catholic community for equality. They were denied housing, jobs and representation. They were supported by a substantial proportion of the Protestant population. Sadly protestant bigots attacked these marches. The police who were almost 100% Unionist stood idly by and watched until law and order broke down. The Police called in the B Specials a group of uniformed, part timers who made matters worse. Law and order broke down completely and the law lost all legitimacy. The Catholics barricaded themselves into safe areas in Belfast and Londonderry to protect themselves. In 1969 Harold Wilson sent the Army in to restore peace and to protect the Catholics.
The Army was not prepared to deal with civil unrest in the UK. All their training was for the defence of Europe in conventional war. Soldiers in the 60's were trained to kill the enemy. The standard crowd control training that had been used in Cyprus and Palestine had been 'Reading the Riot Act'. The act was read, a line was drawn and anyone stepping over the line was shot. This of course had to change and it took several years to do so.
In the meantime Edward Heath became Prime Minister and led the Conservative and Unionist Party. Unionist being the key word. He sent the troops into the Catholic areas and introduced internment (imprisonment without trial). The Catholics turned against the Army and moderates deprived of a voice resorted to violence and joined the fledgling Provisional IRA.
The intimidation of the moderate Catholic communities in Ulster left many young men knee capped, men and women murdered in their homes and young girls tarred, feathered and tied naked to lamp posts. - That was just their own people!
The bombing campaign of the Provisional IRA was indiscriminate, it killed as many women and children as it did adult men. The PIRA were and still are criminal gangsters and murderers who use politics as an excuse for organised crime.
Today it is the intention of Sinn Fein/IRA to obtain the conviction of at least one British Soldier from the 1970's. In so doing they will feel that the single conviction will justify the fifty thousand casualties that they inflicted on the people of Ulster during Operation Banner.
The soldiers weren't to blame for 'the troubles' - the bigoted peoples of Northern Ireland were. The soldiers weren't to blame for the deaths in Northern Ireland, the terrorists on both sides were.
The soldiers tried to keep two communities from destroying one another and ended up being everyone's scapegoat.
Who Dares Shares!
The Army was not prepared to deal with civil unrest in the UK. All their training was for the defence of Europe in conventional war. Soldiers in the 60's were trained to kill the enemy. The standard crowd control training that had been used in Cyprus and Palestine had been 'Reading the Riot Act'. The act was read, a line was drawn and anyone stepping over the line was shot. This of course had to change and it took several years to do so.
In the meantime Edward Heath became Prime Minister and led the Conservative and Unionist Party. Unionist being the key word. He sent the troops into the Catholic areas and introduced internment (imprisonment without trial). The Catholics turned against the Army and moderates deprived of a voice resorted to violence and joined the fledgling Provisional IRA.
The intimidation of the moderate Catholic communities in Ulster left many young men knee capped, men and women murdered in their homes and young girls tarred, feathered and tied naked to lamp posts. - That was just their own people!
The bombing campaign of the Provisional IRA was indiscriminate, it killed as many women and children as it did adult men. The PIRA were and still are criminal gangsters and murderers who use politics as an excuse for organised crime.
Today it is the intention of Sinn Fein/IRA to obtain the conviction of at least one British Soldier from the 1970's. In so doing they will feel that the single conviction will justify the fifty thousand casualties that they inflicted on the people of Ulster during Operation Banner.
The soldiers weren't to blame for 'the troubles' - the bigoted peoples of Northern Ireland were. The soldiers weren't to blame for the deaths in Northern Ireland, the terrorists on both sides were.
The soldiers tried to keep two communities from destroying one another and ended up being everyone's scapegoat.
Who Dares Shares!
mancity2012_eamo
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Those with a long enough memory will recall that the civil rights marches of the late 1960s were a demand by the Catholic community for equality. They were denied housing, jobs and representation. They were supported by a substantial proportion of the Protestant population. Sadly protestant bigots attacked these marches. The police who were almost 100% Unionist stood idly by and watched until law and order broke down. The Police called in the B Specials a group of uniformed, part timers who made matters worse. Law and order broke down completely and the law lost all legitimacy. The Catholics barricaded themselves into safe areas in Belfast and Londonderry to protect themselves. In 1969 Harold Wilson sent the Army in to restore peace and to protect the Catholics.
The Army was not prepared to deal with civil unrest in the UK. All their training was for the defence of Europe in conventional war. Soldiers in the 60's were trained to kill the enemy. The standard crowd control training that had been used in Cyprus and Palestine had been 'Reading the Riot Act'. The act was read, a line was drawn and anyone stepping over the line was shot. This of course had to change and it took several years to do so.
In the meantime Edward Heath became Prime Minister and led the Conservative and Unionist Party. Unionist being the key word. He sent the troops into the Catholic areas and introduced internment (imprisonment without trial). The Catholics turned against the Army and moderates deprived of a voice resorted to violence and joined the fledgling Provisional IRA.
The intimidation of the moderate Catholic communities in Ulster left many young men knee capped, men and women murdered in their homes and young girls tarred, feathered and tied naked to lamp posts. - That was just their own people!
The bombing campaign of the Provisional IRA was indiscriminate, it killed as many women and children as it did adult men. The PIRA were and still are criminal gangsters and murderers who use politics as an excuse for organised crime.
Today it is the intention of Sinn Fein/IRA to obtain the conviction of at least one British Soldier from the 1970's. In so doing they will feel that the single conviction will justify the fifty thousand casualties that they inflicted on the people of Ulster during Operation Banner.
The soldiers weren't to blame for 'the troubles' - the bigoted peoples of Northern Ireland were. The soldiers weren't to blame for the deaths in Northern Ireland, the terrorists on both sides were.
The soldiers tried to keep two communities from destroying one another and ended up being everyone's scapegoat.
Who Dares Shares!
I 'd agree with all of that Kinky.
The only thing I would have any issue with is;
Today it is the intention of Sinn Fein/IRA to obtain the conviction of at least one British Soldier from the 1970's. In so doing they will feel that the single conviction will justify the fifty thousand casualties that they inflicted on the people of Ulster during Operation Banner.
Whilst true it would suit Sinn Fein, I don't think it's the motivation of the BSJC. And I certainly don't associate your second sentence with their goals.
https://www.museumoffreederry.org/content/bloody-sunday-justice-campaign
Also;
The soldiers weren't to blame for 'the troubles' - the bigoted peoples of Northern Ireland were. The soldiers weren't to blame for the deaths in Northern Ireland, the terrorists on both sides were.
"The soldiers weren't to blame", cannot absolve the UK government and their deployment of their military operation in support of such a bigoted and unfair system.
Don't forget this was a problem that was there since partition and was allowed to fester. Conservative and Unionist party says all you need to know about UK policy in Norther Ireland since 1922.
The ordinary foot soldier must have wondered what in hell have I landed in. Hard to blame anyone in those circumstances but there was many a dark art going on in the Military hierarchy, you can be sure.
I 'd agree with all of that Kinky.
The only thing I would have any issue with is;
Today it is the intention of Sinn Fein/IRA to obtain the conviction of at least one British Soldier from the 1970's. In so doing they will feel that the single conviction will justify the fifty thousand casualties that they inflicted on the people of Ulster during Operation Banner.
Whilst true it would suit Sinn Fein, I don't think it's the motivation of the BSJC. And I certainly don't associate your second sentence with their goals.
https://www.museumoffreederry.org/content/bloody-sunday-justice-campaign
Also;
The soldiers weren't to blame for 'the troubles' - the bigoted peoples of Northern Ireland were. The soldiers weren't to blame for the deaths in Northern Ireland, the terrorists on both sides were.
"The soldiers weren't to blame", cannot absolve the UK government and their deployment of their military operation in support of such a bigoted and unfair system.
Don't forget this was a problem that was there since partition and was allowed to fester. Conservative and Unionist party says all you need to know about UK policy in Norther Ireland since 1922.
The ordinary foot soldier must have wondered what in hell have I landed in. Hard to blame anyone in those circumstances but there was many a dark art going on in the Military hierarchy, you can be sure.
Exactly why those in authority should be the ones being charged!