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The two are not comparable. Sheikh Mansour has pumped millions in to the club he owns to produce a product, not a new product, but one vastly improved from the club we knew prior to 2008, and given the global nature of the game, Citytv, as part of City's marketing arm, produces probably the best free content of any club I know, with the medium to long term aim of cementing our club among the elite of world football and all the revenue and prestige that flows from that.

Every fan knows this, no one disputes Sheikh Mansours right to do this with the club he's transformed.

BMRTV owns nothing, beyond a few camcorders and a couple of true blues and some studio space I presume, the company that owns them has no relationship with City, plays no part in our success or otherwise, in the same way they have no relationship with the other half dozen clubs who's fan channels they bankroll. The "product" they produce is fan cams and club chat, which because of the economics of the digital age can create revenue based on traffic to the site, and so the lads do a good job creating content they think will appeal and I for one think they do a great job, I work from home, there's not a day goes by that I don't check for an update, they're nailed in to my favourites. There you go, jobs a good un.

Well, maybe not, until recently fan channels were created by fans for fans with no external ownership, the time, effort, expense was all theirs, if you were looking for real grass roots, suck it and see, they were it, a number are still like that. So is there any difference? Does it matter that BMRTV was created by Shotglass media? That we didn't have a fan Channel before them and now we do, and is there a difference between a fan channel on its own and one created and owned as a stable of fan channels? Yes, there is, because like any owned organisation, no matter how light touch the ownership, there is a touch and that touch is traffic, the road to revenue.

A couple of independent likely lads with a dodgy camcorder might want to see their hits and likes go up, but they're not dependant on it, but our lads are, so what decisions will be made on the basis of their owners economic imperative?

And there is a wider question of what business does a company have in creating and owning fan channels? An area previously the preserve of enterprising fans just going for it, and should "content" what fans think at the Etihad gates as they leave the game be parcelled for financial gain? From my perspective, no, it's just too far, it's the monetisation of every facet of what it is to be a fan.

A supporter’s passion is personal and this is really just a clandestine way of making money out of it. There was a benevolent purpose to fan channels once and a genuine intention to use them to reclaim something that had been lost.

As I've said before maybe it represents the final frontier of the game’s monetisation? The point at which everything a supporter does, thinks or feels can be converted into cash for somebody else.

PS: to all those who've posted who cares, what's your problem, it's free, get of their backs they're good lads, so what, what's your agenda, are you naive/'stupid, it's all been posted before so don't bother.

PPS: I'm a season ticket holder, Manchester born and bred, who travels from Norwich to City and I'm old enough to be the BMRTV lads grand father (though not Walter's) so setting up a fan channel is a non-starter.

PPPS: You might have known BMRTV was owned by Shotglass Media, but a lot of fans didn't, you'd struggle to see any mention of them on the sites, I can't swear it's not there but I've not found it.

Well, I'm happy we've got a decent fan channel to put our views across and two blues are getting paid to do something they seem to enjoy.
 
If you honestly thought that they were a fan owned enterprise with those production values, then you are a deluded man. I have some exquisite gold necklaces and rings for sale though that you might be interested in.

Any youtube channel that is worth a damn has financial backing or eventually gets it, it's the market/times that we live in. Not ideal, but hey, that's capitalism for you.

Prior to BMRTV, was there a "fan channel" on youtube for City? Has there been one since? I don't recall any that made a name for themselves. They provide a service that apparently you wholeheartedly use as do thousands of other people. If it's a problem for you, then stop using it, set up a new fan channel to rival them, or bank roll someone else to do it.

This is such a bizarre thread.
 
If you honestly thought that they were a fan owned enterprise with those production values, then you are a deluded man. I have some exquisite gold necklaces and rings for sale though that you might be interested in.

Any youtube channel that is worth a damn has financial backing or eventually gets it, it's the market/times that we live in. Not ideal, but hey, that's capitalism for you.

Prior to BMRTV, was there a "fan channel" on youtube for City? Has there been one since? I don't recall any that made a name for themselves. They provide a service that apparently you wholeheartedly use as do thousands of other people. If it's a problem for you, then stop using it, set up a new fan channel to rival them, or bank roll someone else to do it.

This is such a bizarre thread.
I think you are missing the point in what the op is trying to say to be fair, I can see both sides of this debate and it has been interesting
 
There is another I've watched recently called these charming fans presented by Jason manfords brother I think
 
If you honestly thought that they were a fan owned enterprise with those production values, then you are a deluded man. I have some exquisite gold necklaces and rings for sale though that you might be interested in.

Any youtube channel that is worth a damn has financial backing or eventually gets it, it's the market/times that we live in. Not ideal, but hey, that's capitalism for you.

Prior to BMRTV, was there a "fan channel" on youtube for City? Has there been one since? I don't recall any that made a name for themselves. They provide a service that apparently you wholeheartedly use as do thousands of other people. If it's a problem for you, then stop using it, set up a new fan channel to rival them, or bank roll someone else to do it.

This is such a bizarre thread.

I was aware they had backing, trips to Australia and so on, but I didn't know who owned them until I did a bit of digging, or that they were part of a stable of fan channels

As for "hey, that's capitalism for you." Well, it seems capitalism has boldly gone where no capitalism has gone before, but is it the final frontier? Or even a bridge too far?

Ipswich Town fan channel sponsored by Bernard Matthews...

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The Tractor Boys, bringing you the authentic smell of Ipswich Town F.C.
 
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I was aware they had backing, trips to Australia and so on, but I didn't know who owned them until I did a bit of digging, or that they were part of a stable of fan channels

As for "hey, that's capitalism for you." well, it seems capitalism has boldly gone where no capitalism has gone before, but is it the final frontier? Or even a bridge too far?

Ipswich Town fan channel sponsored by Bernard Matthews...







isnt that a photo of peter barnes brian kidd and steve mackenzie
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The Tractor Boys, bringing you the true smell of Ipswich Town F.C.
 
Here's a question with an obvious answer, as far as I can tell, Southampton, Leicester, Stoke, West Brom, Swansea and others like them (you get the giste) don't have fan channels, certainly not like Full Time Devils, Chelsea Fan Channel or BMRTV, why is it do you think that Shotglass aren't building a community and bringing fans together for those poor souls? Too cold on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke to bring innovative digital experiences to the poor freezing Potters? Clearly no one outside the Midlands can understand a word the Baggies say, so there'll be no case studies for fan engagement there it seems.....



Funny and brought to you by....
 
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Here's a question with an obvious answer, as far as I can tell, Southampton, Leicester, Stoke, West Brom, Swansea and others like them (you get the giste) don't have fan channels, certainly not like Full Time Devils, Chelsea Fan Channel or BMRTV, why is it do you think that Shotglass aren't building a community and bringing fans together for those poor souls? Too cold on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke to bring innovative digital experiences to the poor freezing Potters? Clearly no one outside the Midlands can understand a word the Baggies say so there'll be no case studies for fan engagement there it seems.....



Funny and brought to you by....


You can still have quality content produced by owners with a profit motive in mind even if they have an agenda in mind

Films are produced for profit, as are papers. I'm sure Bluemoon does its best to cut costs and maximise ad revenues.

Thanks for shedding some light on the background of these channels. I watch them a fair bit but even though I know now whose backing them, I'll still find Arsenal's Claude as watchable as ever.

It had crossed my mind what the FT devils channel was up to. I had assumed that it was a private set-up and they were looking to flog it off. Seems they get paid for following the club all over then? Not bad. Interviewing and talking on camera without looking a prat is great training so fair play to anyone who is involved in this.

I'd rather have a world run for the benefit of us all, but in the meantime what are you supposed to do? Engels owned a factory and we all have to survive and make the best of what we have. The alternative is living in a tent or cave somewhere
 
Neil Smythe is very astute. I'd say he was the single biggest influence on the early carnation of Soccer AM, which was absolutely f**king brilliant by the way. We all hated it when it changed presenter, but the truth be told, all the producers upped sticks too hence the turgid stuff you see on the box today. I saw Neil and a few others start up Channel Bee, whilst it continued what Soccer AM did in terms of content you could tell their skill in especially digital media was ahead of the game. He's been working hard at digital content on Youtube after that and his hand in this has to be applauded. The same for the City fans involved. Walt genuinely makes me laugh and the lads doing the mobile away days are good too.
It does go a bit far(having a good relationship with Full Time Devils etc), but it's content that people are watching. Everyone loves a moan at football, so take crtitism with a pinch of fault. Where it may go too far, is if the videos become staged. Think it's right balance at the minute.

Enjoy it whilst it lasts(won't be long I suspect) as anything on Youtube has short shelf life. Expect City to realise how well received this is, and possibly add a similar thing to their media content. Or TV/Sky camera's to tap into it a bit more.
 

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