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Well, fan me with a kipper! Stoke do have a fan channel....



The Bear Pit TV.....Very new, barely two months old.

Seems The Potters are a bit hot and cold about it...

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/247445/bear-pit-tv

But their ownership is a long and winding road, they're part of a very big company when you follow the crumbs...


The Bear Pit TV https://twitter.com/TheBearPitTV


Hosted by @ElliotHackney


Elliott Hackney:

Senior Content & Community Manager@LostBoys. Write for @YahooSportUKand host of @TheBearPitTV.


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They have worked for some global brands, including Glenlivet, Blackberry & Ugg

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On the Bear Pit TV site they descibe themselves as....

"The Bear Pit TV is Stoke City's first unofficial Fan channel."

"This is The Bear Pit TV - By the fans, for the fans, with the fans."

And on The Oatcake, the Stoke fan forum one of the posters came to their defence against the moaners by posting....

"A couple of young lads ( STOKE FANS )trying to create a niche in the market and they get slaughtered"

Except, that's not the whole story.

All these fan channels "by the fans for the fans", nowhere on any of these sites are the fans actually told about the ownership, for those that say it doesn't matter, well omission tells me that the fan channels themselves think it is.

I wonder how many Stoke fans know that the couple of young lads at The Bear Pit TV, actually work for a large digital company based in Holland?

They might not care, but the vast majority never get to decide either way, because they don't know and the channels themselves seem happy to keep it that way.
 
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What it all boils down to, is that if these so called fan channels were a bit more open as to their ownership rather than pretend that they are authentic fan created products it would be better
 
Ducado said:
What it all boils down to, is that if these so called fan channels were a bit more open as to their ownership rather than pretend that they are authentic fan created products it would be better
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Yes, it would, and as they're supposedly all about fan empowerment, then fans could make the decision for themselves whether they gave a stuff or not.

Fairly obvious that BMRTV had some external funding, trips to Oz were a bit of a give away, but I don't expect the Stoke lads will be jetting off any time soon (though they're beating Chelsea as I type).
 
Ducado said:
What it all boils down to, is that if these so called fan channels were a bit more open as to their ownership rather than pretend that they are authentic fan created products it would be better
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Whenever I hear "Talksport blah blah blah in association with Sky" I always anticipate a shared pro-rag editorial stance.
 
1961_vintage said:
Whenever I hear "Talksport blah blah blah in association with Sky" I always anticipate a shared pro-rag editorial stance.
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And you'd be right most of the time, because we know the media pampers to the 27 trillion rag fans throughout the known universe, got to keep those clicks and phone ins and ratings and papers selling, it's the economic imperative, so they pamper to their largest customer base and objectivity goes out the window.

One of the things you notice about the stable fan channels is their unrelenting positivity... "We're going to win the group, right?...."Errrr"...."Come on, say it, we're going to win the group"...."maybe?"..."There you go, we're going to win the group!....Subscribe below".

Older farts like me are still in shock at our success. We're still visited from time to time by spectral figures of Swales and Pearce in the wee small hours. We might be dying out but there's still a sizeable chunk of "typical City" Private Frazers with "we're all doomed" only a blip in form away. If the authentic City voice was heard we'd have at least 20% coverage of miserable bastards who'd make Arsenal Fan TV's moaning Claude look like a ray of bloody sunshine.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
And you'd be right most of the time, because we know the media pampers to the 27 trillion rag fans throughout the known universe, got to keep those clicks and phone ins and ratings and papers selling, it's the economic imperative, so they pamper to their largest customer base and objectivity goes out the window.

One of the things you notice about the stable fan channels is their unrelenting positivity... "We're going to win the group, right?...."Errrr"...."Come on, say it, we're going to win the group"...."maybe"...there you go, we're going to win the group!"...."Subscribe below".

Older farts like me are still in shock at our success. We're still visited from time to time by spectral figures of Swales and Pearce in the wee small hours. We might be dying out but there's still a sizreable chunk of "typical City" Private Frazers with "we're all doomed" only a blip in form away. If the authentic City voice was heard we'd have at least 20% coverage of miserable bastards who'd make Arsenal Fan TV's moaning Claude look like a ray of bloody sunshine.
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You can get all the moaning you want on here ;-)
 
aguero93:20 said:
Really? Any particular thread?
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You need to lighten up.

You might think this is all a storm in a tea cup, but it's not. Over at United, FulltimeDevils don't have it all their own way, there's a new kid on the block UnitedPeoplesTV, a professional outfit, paid staff, owned by god knows who, it can be close to impossible to unravel ownership of these sites, but owned they are.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEfEaGKGSxy8ZYIV1RWLbCQ/videos

http://thepeoplesperson.com/jobs-the-peoples-person/

The Peoples Person is now welcoming freelance writers to join our editorial team in order to help keep our audience up to date with all the latest Manchester United news.

Position details

We are looking for a set of writers who will be assigned specific shifts on a monthly basis as well as other additional slots as and when work is required.

All positions are part-time, the pay rate is £7 per hour and work will be designated in specific slots in advance. Work will be assigned throughout the week and weekend work is likely to be required on matchdays.

Due to the nature of freelance roles, the amount of hours given to successful applicants will likely change on a monthly basis.

Applicant requirements

A successful candidate will be…

  • Able to write accurate content to tight deadlines using The Peoples Person’s style guide as a template
  • A Manchester United fan. We’re a fan website and we want to keep it that way
  • Passionate about Manchester United
  • Trained and skilled in journalism or have a background in writing
  • Reliable and consistent with your work
  • Able to source and create content yourself
Social media positions

With a Facebook page that has over 2.2 million likes and a combined following of nearly 30,000 followers on Twitter, The Peoples Person has a vast audience and we’re looking to expand our social media team to keep it all up-to-date.

There will be both matchday and non-matchday positions available. For the right candidate who shows drive in the role, there is also the potential for it to turn into a paid role in the future.

For now, what we need are people to help us improve our social media coverage and make sure we are always keep our audience engaged.

This professional outfit paying just above the minimum wage (part time you understand) does much the same as FullTimeDevils, except, well? There's no except, in any way that matters they're identical, but clearly with seventy odd thousand rags pouring on to the streets on match day there's still content to be had to drive those clicks, so a company saw a gap in the market and took it.

How long before City with its expansion plans generate enough footfall for another media company to set up a fan channel? Maybe just off site by the gasometer? So then we'd have two authentic voices of City fans, "for the fans by the fans" owned by a media company fronted by a couple of true blues, good lads etc

Still no problem? And what happens to the possibility of two lads on their own making a go of it, tough enough on its own terms but faced with professional outfits? These media companies fronted by fans squeeze that possibility in to impossibility.

The traffic BMRTV gets compared to monsters like FulltimrDevils, Redmen TV, Arsenal Fan TV is still tiny, the pressure to increase traffic is real, they seem solid lads so they're unlikely to produce the "Jeremy Kyle for fans" that is Arsenal FanTV, nevertheless it'll be interesting to see what direction they go under the enormous commercial pressure the digital business model generates.
 
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