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The traffic BMRTV gets compared to monsters like FulltimrDevils, Redmen TV, Arsenal Fan TV is still tiny, the pressure to increase traffic is real, they seem solid lads so they're unlikely to produce the "Jeremy Kyle for fans" that is Arsenal FanTV, nevertheless it'll be interesting to see what direction they go under the enormous commercial pressure the digital business model generates.

You're worrying and complaining about something that might just happen in the future and you think I need to lighten up?
 
You need to lighten up.

You might think this is all a storm in a tea cup, but it's not. Over at United, FulltimeDevils don't have it all their own way, there's a new kid on the block UnitedPeoplesTV, a professional outfit, paid staff, owned by god knows who, it can be close to impossible to unravel ownership of these sites, but owned they are.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEfEaGKGSxy8ZYIV1RWLbCQ/videos

http://thepeoplesperson.com/jobs-the-peoples-person/

The Peoples Person is now welcoming freelance writers to join our editorial team in order to help keep our audience up to date with all the latest Manchester United news.

Position details

We are looking for a set of writers who will be assigned specific shifts on a monthly basis as well as other additional slots as and when work is required.

All positions are part-time, the pay rate is £7 per hour and work will be designated in specific slots in advance. Work will be assigned throughout the week and weekend work is likely to be required on matchdays.

Due to the nature of freelance roles, the amount of hours given to successful applicants will likely change on a monthly basis.

Applicant requirements

A successful candidate will be…

  • Able to write accurate content to tight deadlines using The Peoples Person’s style guide as a template
  • A Manchester United fan. We’re a fan website and we want to keep it that way
  • Passionate about Manchester United
  • Trained and skilled in journalism or have a background in writing
  • Reliable and consistent with your work
  • Able to source and create content yourself
Social media positions

With a Facebook page that has over 2.2 million likes and a combined following of nearly 30,000 followers on Twitter, The Peoples Person has a vast audience and we’re looking to expand our social media team to keep it all up-to-date.

There will be both matchday and non-matchday positions available. For the right candidate who shows drive in the role, there is also the potential for it to turn into a paid role in the future.


For now, what we need are people to help us improve our social media coverage and make sure we are always keep our audience engaged.

This professional outfit paying just above the minimum wage (part time you understand) does much the same as FullTimeDevils, except, well? There's no except, in any way that matters they're identical, but clearly with seventy odd thousand rags pouring on to the streets on match day there's still content to be had to drive those clicks, so a company saw a gap in the market and took it.

How long before City with its expansion plans generate enough footfall for another media company to set up a fan channel? Maybe just off site by the gasometer? So then we'd have two authentic voices of City fans, "for the fans by the fans" owned by a media company fronted by a couple of true blues, good lads etc

Still no problem? And what happens to the possibility of two lads on their own making a go of it, tough enough on it's own terms but faced with professional outfits? These media companies fronted by fans squeeze that possibility in to impossibility.

The traffic BMRTV gets compared to monsters like FulltimrDevils, Redmen TV, Arsenal Fan TV is still tiny, the pressure to increase traffic is real, they seem solid lads so they're unlikely to produce the "Jeremy Kyle for fans" that is Arsenal FanTV, nevertheless it'll be interesting to see what direction they go under the enormous commercial pressure the digital business model generates.

I might be drunk, but my god, is this a great thread. Congrats to the author. Do not go gentle into that good night . . . . .
 
You're worrying and complaining about something that might just happen in the future and you think I need to lighten up?

Clearly you don't care and don't see any problem, fine, if you don't care and don't see any problem then you know where the door is.

Posting as you do is bit like watching City and stating "I don't get this football lark" it poses the inevitable question, why are you here?
 
Clearly you don't care and don't see any problem, fine, if you don't care and don't see any problem then you know where the door is.

Posting as you do is bit like watching City and stating "I don't get this football lark" it poses the inevitable question, why are you here?

No I don't have a problem with two blues getting paid to cover the club, I don't particularly care who's paying them either as long as the content is acceptable, which it is. I'm happy for the two lads, it would be most football fan's idea of a dream job.
 
OK, so let me get this straight. The op, has a problem with BMRTV because it's owned by a company that is not fan owned/Manchester City owned (run by Blues mind you), yet he likes/uses BMRTV and supports them by following and watching their content. He doesn't like BMRTV because they don't say, "BMRTV-brought to you by Shot Glass Media." Going on from that, he is worried that challenging content will find it difficult to start up because of BMRTV's backing, yet he/she still uses BMRTV and has no intent on starting a rival "fan channel" but complains about said BMRTV and their media company that brings this unique content to the masses. Content that you will not find anywhere else outside of CityTV. The media company makes a profit off of BMRTV as there was a void in this area and they have filled it and by all accounts are doing pretty well by it. People watch the content, are happy with the content (including the op). There isn't a biased media slant as the content is brought to you by blues who have the club in their heart.

Is the only problem that they don't say, "BMRTV-brought to you by Shot Glass Media?"
 
OK, so let me get this straight. The op, has a problem with BMRTV because it's owned by a company that is not fan owned/Manchester City owned (run by Blues mind you), yet he likes/uses BMRTV and supports them by following and watching their content. He doesn't like BMRTV because they don't say, "BMRTV-brought to you by Shot Glass Media." Going on from that, he is worried that challenging content will find it difficult to start up because of BMRTV's backing, yet he/she still uses BMRTV and has no intent on starting a rival "fan channel" but complains about said BMRTV and their media company that brings this unique content to the masses. Content that you will not find anywhere else outside of CityTV. The media company makes a profit off of BMRTV as there was a void in this area and they have filled it and by all accounts are doing pretty well by it. People watch the content, are happy with the content (including the op). There isn't a biased media slant as the content is brought to you by blues who have the club in their heart.

Is the only problem that they don't say, "BMRTV-brought to you by Shot Glass Media?"
I think his issue is that BMRTV and the other fan channels came across as authentic but the reality was they were only pretending to be authentic in order to garner support from cynical football fans (support meaning clicks and eyes on the screen) and to be fair he does have a valid point on this when you read Bluemoon you know the site is owned by one person (a match going blue) and is about as authentic and raw as it gets, look at some other forums especially ones for smaller clubs who are part of some network owned by some big company they again try to be authentic but they try a little to hard and it just comes across as false.

To me he has a valid point, I will continue to watch and enjoy BMRTV and some other channels in Shot Glass media stable, but I will now take a more cynical view of their output
 
Maybe it is a generational thing as the op has alluded to. Whenever I see anything "fan" related that has production values that are outside of a shakey hand-held mobile I just assume that they are bankrolled by a company that is not Manchester City. If it's not on the OS, then it's sponsored by someone/some other entity. BMRTV I just assumed was sponsored by a "big" company. As long as the content is worthwhile, I'll continue to invest my time and clicks on it. Again, maybe it's just a generational thing.
 
OK, so let me get this straight. The op, has a problem with BMRTV because it's owned by a company that is not fan owned/Manchester City owned (run by Blues mind you), yet he likes/uses BMRTV and supports them by following and watching their content. He doesn't like BMRTV because they don't say, "BMRTV-brought to you by Shot Glass Media." Going on from that, he is worried that challenging content will find it difficult to start up because of BMRTV's backing, yet he/she still uses BMRTV and has no intent on starting a rival "fan channel" but complains about said BMRTV and their media company that brings this unique content to the masses. Content that you will not find anywhere else outside of CityTV. The media company makes a profit off of BMRTV as there was a void in this area and they have filled it and by all accounts are doing pretty well by it. People watch the content, are happy with the content (including the op). There isn't a biased media slant as the content is brought to you by blues who have the club in their heart.

Is the only problem that they don't say, "BMRTV-brought to you by Shot Glass Media?"

I know this is addressed specifically to the OP but ...

I have absolutely no issue with BMRTV's content or presenters or style. I subscribe to the channel, make sure I "like" the videos, follow them on twitter.

However - I do find all this background information fascinating. I'm not naive enough to have thought that BMRTV, or most of the other fan channels, are made without at least some professional or semi-professional help but I had no idea that one digital media company was behind so many of them. Or that such a huge digital company (LostBoys/DigitasLBi) would be behind Stoke's Fan Channel.

There's a lot to be said for professional, experienced involvement. However, the commercial nature of this involvement means that profit is the imperative and I find myself wondering "what happens if a fan channel doesn't get enough clicks/generate enough income?' Would the media companies put pressure on the presenters to find some "star" interviewees? (Eg Claude on Arsenal FanTV.) Would they pull the plug?

Let's face it, every media outlet now uses clickbait, even the staid old broadsheets (such as The Telegraph) are not immune from the need to generate ad income on free-to-view sites.

So I see this as a general discussion around the role & influence of these digital media companies: how much, if at all, do they influence content? What, if any, editorial control do they impose?

Of course the discussion was hinged on BMRTV - because it's OUR channel - but I see it as much more generalised than that and in no way is it critical of BMRTV.
 
I think his issue is that BMRTV and the other fan channels came across as authentic but the reality was they were only pretending to be authentic in order to garner support from cynical football fans (support meaning clicks and eyes on the screen) and to be fair he does have a valid point on this when you read Bluemoon you know the site is owned by one person (a match going blue) and is about as authentic and raw as it gets, look at some other forums especially ones for smaller clubs who are part of some network owned by some big company they again try to be authentic but they try a little to hard and it just comes across as false.

To me he has a valid point, I will continue to watch and enjoy BMRTV and some other channels in Shot Glass media stable, but I will now take a more cynical view of their output
Think Ducado has it right. To be honest, I was never a fan of BMRTV, it all seems rather sanitised and 'new-era' football. Also don't understand how people lap up that beer glass fella - his videos are by far the worst IMO!
 

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