Brentford (A) - Post-Match Thread

Sometimes you get games like these, a team defending with no ambition and fairly horrible to watch. To be honest, while we all want to see us scoring 4 or 5 (or 6), I get just as much satisfaction out of seeing us win 1-0 against the bus parkers. It's 3 points. It's not pretty. But ....as we've seen with other so-called top teams who have visited Brentford, they've come away without a win. Last night was professional and on Saturday we'll probably see a more free-flowing City. Thought Ake was excellent, Foden was lively, everyone else just had to dig in. Don't worry about Grealish, like others he will need time to bed in and he'll come good.
 
Plays By Sense Of Smell said:
Whichever way we look at it, the problem is always the degree of variability of decisions being open to interpretation.
Cuases of this can include the fundamental definitions of what constitutes on/off/where/when lines should be set etc.

If we're going to go for as accurate as possible, then it almost doesn't matter what you choose to measure from; as long as it is possible to set a rule/measure that can be consistently calibrated, you're heading in the right direction.

My feeling is that the shirt sleeve rule is too variable as some shirts may be adjusted,some players have longer arms, some wear long sleeves. There is no definitive point for everyone.

And I'm quite OK with players not being able to tell to within 1cm/whatever - that's part of the skill of playing the game - their judgment. And of course, if things could be know to be reliably exact, then we shouldn't have any qualms with the truth.

There is of course, a way to ensure you are onside. (Check). But to push the limits, as in any competition, there is an event of risk required , and sometimes you'll get it wrong.

VAR probably has improved the game from a technical correctness point of view, and will occasionally suffer from issues that either can't be addressed perfectly, or are part of the learning curve.

But in getting more precise, it highlights the areas where there is a lack of consistency in its own processes. And when that inconsistency is down to the humans who implemented it not having thought things through well enough (perhaps deliberately so), then that's what grinds gears.
The huge human reaction to perceived unfairness.
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Football was codified by posh Victorians to keep fit, and the rules only had to be good enough. Over a century they've been tweaked to add entertainment, but the fundamental laws don't really translate into the precision that VAR brings imo. Like you say, every specific thing you being into to clarify anything ends up muddying stuff because the general spirit of the game was never designed for it.
 
kaz7 said:
Aside from eddie, ake , dinho and flashes from kev and phil everyone else was poor but points is all that count this time of year
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I don’t get this type of view. No one last night was poor. Everyone gave their all and we made the game relatively easy. Football is not all about loads of skill and lots of pretty patterns. There is a lot of effort and application that goes into a game like last night and if 6/7 players were poor then we aren’t winning that game with the ease that we did.
Two real attempts I think you can say they had last night. Do you know how hard it is to limit teams to those sort of stats.

It’s the busiest time of the year. We’ve had injuries too but no one seems interested in that. Most of squad were at the euros and went deep into it as well. We are defending champions and at the moment playing the best football possibly in Europe and won a difficult champions league group early. I’m not digging you out by the way I’m just frustrated that last night is perceived as a poor performance or we were below par when the reality is different.
 
Doctor Jimmy and Mr Jim said:
Sometimes you get games like these, a team defending with no ambition and fairly horrible to watch. To be honest, while we all want to see us scoring 4 or 5 (or 6), I get just as much satisfaction out of seeing us win 1-0 against the bus parkers. It's 3 points. It's not pretty. But ....as we've seen with other so-called top teams who have visited Brentford, they've come away without a win. Last night was professional and on Saturday we'll probably see a more free-flowing City. Thought Ake was excellent, Foden was lively, everyone else just had to dig in. Don't worry about Grealish, like others he will need time to bed in and he'll come good.
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A 1-0 win is as satisfying as any other, but only once the final whistle goes.
1-0 with 15 minutes to go is a nervy, difficult watch with the spectre of the sucker punch hanging over us.
Chelsea - Brighton last night comes to mind.
 
Brentford are clearly a well organised team who will give everything for their manager and fans. They clearly belong in the PL and I hope their stay in it is a long one, but I cannot agree with the widespread opinion that the game was very close and the home side deserved a point. Brentford had two shots on target in the entire match and did not create a single chance after the quarter of an hour mark. City had 76% possession, but were not out of sight at any time. Brentford defended intelligently and resolutely and closed down space well, and if City aren't 3 or 4 clear going into the last ten minutes the game is "close" and City are lucky to get the win. In fact, the game was tense because the score was only 1-0 but City never looked like dropping two points, Brentford struggled to keep the ball and found it difficult to get out of their own half. An excellent performance from a depleted Brentford but a thoroughly professional one from City.
 
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