Yep,too many of our players are happy to relinquish responsibility when it comes to the less glamorous aspects of the game.It would have been a fantastic save if he'd kept it out and he nearly did.
I've just watched that second goal again very carefully and when the throw is taken, Silva is standing just off King and Kolarov is marking Slimani. The ball comes in and Fernando challenges the Leicester player , who just wins out. Silva has moved towards the ball and left King free while Slimani moves back a couple of yards, Kolarov doesn't go with him and no one else picks him up. So he picks up the second ball and knocks it back to King, who hasn't moved from where he was when the throw is taken. If Silva had stayed where he was at that time and just kept an eye on King, he'd struggle to get that shot away or it would be blocked by Silva.
And the goal Burnley scored was another where we failed to pick up an opposition player just outside the box at a set piece and he's got to the second ball virtually unchallenged. It's something we're very poor at generally.
You have posted all his "mistakes" at Torino as well,it serves no purpose to what bravo is doing here,do you honestly think he is doing all the things he is here to do well or not?
I think Pep recognises the basic skills of what he needs from a keeper. I assume he thinks Joe doesn't have them. I suppose its a bit like if Dunne was still a centre back and we were asking does he have the basic skill's and just as importantly, reading of the game to develop into a ball playing centre back, or whether we needed a different sort of centre back, don't suppose many would think he could .I think you are right on how it will pan out. Do you not think Joe could develop that side of his game?
Have you any keeper in mind you think Pep could bring in that fulfils his requirements?
It wasn't a mistake to get rid of him and I think he'd have gone whoever came in.
I did say last night this should be over in the bravo thread but people keep quoting me in here so i'm still hereKaren its the bring back Joe thread so of course it has relevance.
Bravo talk should be in his performance thread.
It really is that simple.
I've posted two fucking videos at the weekend as stated. Neither are being discussed now.You have posted all his "mistakes" at Torino as well,it serves no purpose to what bravo is doing here,do you honestly think he is doing all the things he is here to do well or not?
it's very strange that some folk just cannot understand this.Some of you just don't get it. Even if Pep walked tomorrow, Hart would not be coming back. Fact. Period, End of or whatever other of those stupid phrases people use.
I think we need a centre back and a left back and we need to defenders to stop falling asleep.So what's the answer? Because if you don't find one then it's all going to collapse around you.
It's not just the goalie as you know. Your defence is pish in relation to the company you want to dominate.
Who do you think would do the job you need doing.
Who said he wasn't blamed? he was slagged off a lot last seasonI've posted two fucking videos at the weekend as stated. Neither are being discussed now.
You aren't understanding the discussion, that's on you. It's been explained to you three times in the last four pages.
Hart was not blamed for those goals in those videos on the last couple of pages. Do you or do you not think Bravo would have been slated for conceding both?
But you're kicking off at Joe Hart videos in this thread even when the poster is at pains to say he's not blaming Joe for either, but showing they are carbon copies of goals Bravo is getting stick for.I did say last night this should be over in the bravo thread but people keep quoting me in here so i'm still here
As its a bring him back thread of course the mistakes he is making this season are relevant. Bravo doesn't come into it.You have posted all his "mistakes" at Torino as well,it serves no purpose to what bravo is doing here,do you honestly think he is doing all the things he is here to do well or not?
For a start the commentator saying he didn't have a chance.Who said he wasn't blamed? he was slagged off a lot last season
I think we need a centre back and a left back and we need to defenders to stop falling asleep.
They talk rubbish most of the time hence i turn them right down now,but did our fans say that?For a start the commentator saying he didn't have a chance.
That's the point. I don't think Bravo has been particularly good but I also don't think he is the problem we should be worrying about and FWIW I don't think he's been as bad as some people are suggesting. I am far more worried about how we are defending (and the chances we are missing at the other end). Yes, when we are giving away one on ones like we are then it helps to have a keeper like Joe who is excellent at one on ones (he saved our arses so many times last season it was ridiculous). But the only solution to all this is to be much better defensively and to not be so easy to counter attack because whether we have Joe or Bravo in goal, if we are defending this badly we will win fuck all. Focusing on Bravo is completely missing the point IMO.So what's the answer? Because if you don't find one then it's all going to collapse around you.
It's not just the goalie as you know. Your defence is pish in relation to the company you want to dominate.
Who do you think would do the job you need doing.
It would have been a fantastic save if he'd kept it out and he nearly did.
I've just watched that second goal again very carefully and when the throw is taken, Silva is standing just off King and Kolarov is marking Slimani. The ball comes in and Fernando challenges the Leicester player , who just wins out. Silva has moved towards the ball and left King free while Slimani moves back a couple of yards, Kolarov doesn't go with him and no one else picks him up. So he picks up the second ball and knocks it back to King, who hasn't moved from where he was when the throw is taken. If Silva had stayed where he was at that time and just kept an eye on King, he'd struggle to get that shot away or it would be blocked by Silva.
And the goal Burnley scored was another where we failed to pick up an opposition player just outside the box at a set piece and he's got to the second ball virtually unchallenged. It's something we're very poor at generally.
It would have been a fantastic save. We allowed a Premier League footballer time and space to measure a powerful shot into the top corner. Bravo nearly saved it. His size possibly hindered him. He got a good hand to it so you could say he should have stopped it.
He didn't. I think it was a good effort, had he kept it out it would have been a fantastic save. He didn't so he's back to clownio.
Had anyother keeper been in that position, the keeper wouldn't be held responsible for it.
Bravo for some reason or another has been targeted by many, not after a few months or a season but immediately.
Look at this disrespectful totally unhelpful thread.
This will only lead to negativity, it's an embarrassing thread. Our manager wanted Joe gone and a more suitable keeper in. That has happened.
Every other player who's left is in the player thread. The amount of garbage and vitriol aimed at Bravo from our own is depressing.
I've posted two videos of Hart, two goals that Bravo would be slaughtered for conceding, was Hart slaughtered? No. He was backed and righly so.
Why isn't Bravo afforded the same backing and the respect he deserves?
Fans can say it's only a forum, but first back pass tonight will be greeted with jeers and groans. Round me in 130 it will be anyway.
Hart was a fine keeper on the back of his worst season for sometime with a near Sunday league standard Euros and we looked to improve him.
He had his limitations and flaws, he will always be fondly remembered and rightly so. It's about time we all moved on.
Full back (both sides) has been an issue for three maybe even four years now.Don't bring Hart back. Buy new decent fullbacks what should have been done at least last year. We have NO decent fullback! It's absolutely shocking.
Full back (both sides) has been an issue for three maybe even four years now.
I thought all bar Zabaleta were poor in Macnini's last season. I thought Clichy Kolarov and Richards weren't good enough then and knew Zaba was coming towards the end of his prime too. It needed freshening up at the end of that season with young long-term full backs on each side, it didn't happen.
Clichy and Kolarov were inconsistently good when we won the league under Pellegrini, an area of the pitch masked by the rest of the team's quality. Zaba was good again, but not as good and we ran him into the ground that season which saw his legs pack in.
Then all of them were poor for the next two years on the whole bar the odd spells where one might play well.
Sagna was brought in and was decent defensively but added very little over two years going forward other than two crosses home and away to Watford (one for Sterling one for Kun goals).
That's been the weakest area of our team though imo, worse than centre half for all this time. Yet we've spent £MILLIONS£ on centre halves and absolutely nothing on full backs!