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BRING BACK THE DEATH SENTENCE PLEASE......
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stony said:Manslaughter is completely different. A man snaps a babies spine over his knee. I'd kill him in an instant.
A man looses concentration at the wheel and wipes out a family of six. Hmm, now it starts to get hard. That's why judges get paid lots of money though ;)
So six lives are cheaper than the one that a murderer gets executed for?
Because that is what the law would be saying.
stony said:BingoBango said:Serious question: do you think that you could execute another human being?
It would be easy to say yes, but in all honesty I don't know. If one of my kids was a victim of them, then yes, without hesitation.
Bentley?
mackenzie said:stony said:Manslaughter is completely different. A man snaps a babies spine over his knee. I'd kill him in an instant.
A man looses concentration at the wheel and wipes out a family of six. Hmm, now it starts to get hard. That's why judges get paid lots of money though ;)
So six lives are cheaper than the one that a murderer gets executed for?
Because that is what the law would be saying.
Thats not what the law would be saying at all. It would be saying we don't kill people for having an accident. Whatever the tragic outcome is, it is still an accident.
BingoBango
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stony said:BingoBango said:That's one out of the lot, a country with a crime-rate that dwarfs ours where you've a greater chance of being violently assaulted or murdered.
Depends where in the USA you live. I stayed with friends over there in a little town in Illinois called Watseka, virtually crime free.
A state which hasn't executed anyone since 2000 ;-)
BingoBango
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stony said:mackenzie said:stony said:Manslaughter is completely different. A man snaps a babies spine over his knee. I'd kill him in an instant.
A man looses concentration at the wheel and wipes out a family of six. Hmm, now it starts to get hard. That's why judges get paid lots of money though ;)
So six lives are cheaper than the one that a murderer gets executed for?
Because that is what the law would be saying.
Thats not what the law would be saying at all. It would be saying we don't kill people for having an accident. Whatever the tragic outcome is, it is still an accident.
What if he was dicking about on his mobile? or was drunk?
BingoBango said:stony said:BingoBango said:That's one out of the lot, a country with a crime-rate that dwarfs ours where you've a greater chance of being violently assaulted or murdered.
Depends where in the USA you live. I stayed with friends over there in a little town in Illinois called Watseka, virtually crime free.
A state which hasn't executed anyone since 2000 ;-)
I was there in 1999 ;)
BingoBango said:What if he was dicking about on his mobile? or was drunk?
It's still manslaughter and not murder. He didn't deliberately go out with intention to kill.
BingoBango
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stony said:I was there in 1999 ;)
Damn you! ;-)
(Like Mackenzie said, great thread - glad it's not gone into personal insults like in some others!)
BingoBango said:stony said:I was there in 1999 ;)
Damn you! ;-)
(Like Mackenzie said, great thread - glad it's not gone into personal insults like in some others!)
It was 2001 actually but I couldn't resist ;-)
BingoBango
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stony said:BingoBango said:stony said:I was there in 1999 ;)
Damn you! ;-)
(Like Mackenzie said, great thread - glad it's not gone into personal insults like in some others!)
It was 2001 actually but I couldn't resist ;-)
My superiority complex is restored ;-)
Pierrepoint said that he never thought for one minute that the death penalty had deterred any of those that he executed.
And as the last man who looked into the eyes of those people I tend to believe him.
He also ended up hating what he did.
And as the last man who looked into the eyes of those people I tend to believe him.
He also ended up hating what he did.
mackenzie said:Pierrepoint said that he never thought for one minute that the death penalty had deterred any of those that he executed.
And as the last man who looked into the eyes of those people I tend to believe him.
He also ended up hating what he did.
Surely it makes more fiscal sense to kill them, rather than feed them for 20 years.
BingoBango
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stony said:mackenzie said:Pierrepoint said that he never thought for one minute that the death penalty had deterred any of those that he executed.
And as the last man who looked into the eyes of those people I tend to believe him.
He also ended up hating what he did.
Surely it makes more fiscal sense to kill them, rather than feed them for 20 years.
Oof, very utilitarian!
Bigga
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BingoBango said:stony said:Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal.
I'm very interested as to where you get this particular stat from and how do you know it to be true?
Re-offending, when it comes to murder, is dependant on so many things. Social status, education, remorse, oneself's view of oneself, family etc. If one misses any of these bridges to humanity after an offence and jail time, it's more than likely they'll return to the place they know best.
I know a lot of lads that have been involved in street crime, whose level of activity goes up in levels after jail time. I know of four lads involved in gun crime after jail time. Two have killed people and in jail, one has been killed by his own method of fear and one doing jail time again, through other neferious means.
The stats in the US are around 40% for re-offending, in murder cases. However, most interesting is a method sought after, by certains groups called "Take Justice", in which the murderer comes face to face with the family of the victim.
In certain states, where it is allowed, re-offendind has dropped to 8% after the experience.
A return to capital punishment, may not be needed after all.
guv
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FRAN THE ARAB said:labour won't bring back the death sentence the bunch of shithouses thev'e fucked everything up in this great country ov our's traitors.
Everything was better before the end of the death sentence, then?
Bigga said:BingoBango said:stony said:Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal.
I never said that!!!
stony said:mackenzie said:Pierrepoint said that he never thought for one minute that the death penalty had deterred any of those that he executed.
And as the last man who looked into the eyes of those people I tend to believe him.
He also ended up hating what he did.
Surely it makes more fiscal sense to kill them, rather than feed them for 20 years.
Believe me Stony, if I was in a locked room with the bastard that was mentioned in the OP I would gladly kick the shit out of him and more.
But the death penalty is abhorrent. They should go to jail and suffer. It's the jail system that I have more of a problem with tbh.
Bigga said:However, most interesting is a method sought after, by certains groups called "Take Justice", in which the murderer comes face to face with the family of the victim.
Ands that is a step forward and makes sense.
Wouldn't work for all offenders (the ones that are beyond help, like Brady, should still be made to suffer) but for the ones that knife crime it could work imho.
Bigga
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stony said:BingoBango said:Life has never, ever, meant 'life'. However, the point remains - re-offending is minimal.
I never said that!!!
It was an accident, as I was interrupted by 'er indoors peckin' my ear!
Is that better, diddums? x