Britain's Ruling Elite

[bluegirl74]

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I would love to know what they teach these wannabe heads of state that can't be/ isn't taught in regular schools and universities?

There must be something of substance they have that others do not? Is it just a state of mind?

Once we have that identified and passed on successfully, then get them all up against the wall comrades :)

I'll tell you what they teach them BLJ:
They teach them self confidence. They teach them resilience. They teach them a work ethic. They teach them to achieve and they teach them in fucking spades! And the difference to us state educated folk is genuinely profound.
Believe it or not. Like it or not that is what they teach them and that is why more often than not they succeed.

i agree at least in part with this (as highlighted) and i also agree with rascal's post about class sizes and teaching conditions. paying a teacher a decent wage will have a significant effect on the teacher's morale which directly impacts on their deliverable.

in my experience the standard of education provided in public schools is higher than that in state schools and, the expectations of pupils is also above that of the expectations of pupils in state schools. i'm not saying that there aren't some amazing teachers in state schools, just that teachers in public schools are better able to concentrate on teaching curriculum to generally well behaved, conformist children who are fully supported at home wheras your average teacher in a state school will have a wide variety of social issues to contend with before they can even begin to think about "the three r's".

further, it's not just about academic education but also about the relationships and connections which are formed in school that are used to excellent networking effect in professional life.

all of the above said, i'm very proud of my state school education as while there are obvious advantages to a private education, there are life lessons learned every day in every state school which can never be replicated in a private school.

 

[metalblue]

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I'll tell you what they teach them BLJ:
They teach them self confidence. They teach them resilience. They teach them a work ethic. They teach them to achieve and they teach them in fucking spades! And the difference to us state educated folk is genuinely profound.
Believe it or not. Like it or not that is what they teach them and that is why more often than not they succeed.

They teach them in small class sizes
They teach them in warm modern classrooms
They teach them on school playing fields with perfect pitches
They teach them with full bellies
They teach them with the best equipment
They teach them with the latest technology
They teach them with the best paid teachers


In my world every kid regardless of class, upbringing or wealth deserves to taught as above, not just the rich and powerful.


BTW in the interests of clarity can i point out Ed Miliband went to a state school

Ta

They also sack shit teachers.

 

[metalblue]

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So where do the other 90% come from?

Great question

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

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Which part of the media do you consider left wing then?

Im really at a loss.

UKIP and the far right have the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun etc the middle ground has the Indy, Guardian and Mirror. the left has the Morning star.

The BBC does as its told by who is in power to protect its funding. Sky has Murdoch who is extreme right wing. Look at Fox news FFs

The BBC is left wing

there are so many individuals in the BBC, that it is impossible that they could all have left wing leanings, and I'm shocked you could be so entrenched as to hold that view.

Think about it, the cleaners and the idealists maybe, but the execs are all middle class, so there has to be at least a spread which will influence individual programs, and even within programs there will be views which could be left or right leaning. This is why people of all the political spectrum will gripe about the Beeb, and be right and wrong all at the same time.

Have a go at individual examples of Beeb bias, but to tar the whole organisation of the same crime is to have not thought it through properly.

In my opinion, they have a left wing bias

 

[dazdon]

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To be fair the BBC is that left wing it's fell off the table.

Most bodies of govt are though (I know they are not supposed to be but really).

There were complaints even by the left wing controllers in the BBC that there were not enough right wing comedians.

The tut tut society killed them off from the TV that's probably why.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

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What I found most interesting was the study that came out recently showing that someone from a private school will perform worse than a state school pupil with equivalent grades once they get to university and the playing field is equal. Private schools are like performance-enhancing drugs. They can get you the results, but as soon as you're on a level playing field, you'll be left in the dust by your more talented classmates. As far as I'm concerned, the likes of Oxford and Cambridge should never be accepted a single privately educated student if there's a state educated student with equivalent grades. But they insist on doing an interview in addition to the cold, hard facts of their results, so they've got yet another method to discriminate in favour of their chosen group. Prince William got an A, B and C in his A-Levels, which is the same as me. And I didn't have all of the benefits of an Eton education. Do you think I would've been accepted into (the third or fourth best university in the country, depending on the newspaper you believe) St. Andrews? Would I fuck.

So what is the motivation for universities not accepting the best students? Well money, obviously. They're not stupid. They know that the well-connected students will be the ones that get the best jobs after university, not the most talented ones. And their list of alumni is basically a massive advert for their university, not to mention a large list of wealthy potential donors in the future. Who would you rather have at your uni? The talented kid from a state school who'll get top grades, get accepted onto a graduate programme at a top international company, and spend the next 20 years working their way up to boardroom level, or the kid who'll finish uni and walk straight into a management role at daddy's company, or the company of daddy's friend? Hell, these state-educated oiks might even go on to work in the public sector where no-one will ever hear about their good work. And who's going to care about that when you're trying to recruit the next batch of undergraduates and international students? They want to hear that the Prime Minister studied there, not the manager of their local NHS trust or the chief nuclear physicist at their local power plant.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

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When I was learning to be a Flight instructor, we learn there are 4 levels of learning: Rote, Understanding, Acceptance, Correlation.

For me, those 4 levels separate people out of the herd.

The Rote guy does what he is told. He learns how to do something and does it...nothing more, nothing less!

The Understanding guy knows the rote stuff and understands how it works and is able to manage the rote guys. Your lower level mgmt or supervisor guy, who did OK at the local
Comprehensive, and is "one of the guys."

Then there is the Acceptance guy. He learns rote, developed understanding and has learned both to BE accepted and accepted the way things work, and uses that to his advantage to get ahead. He accepts that he has a better understanding and uses that knowledge to leverage and outmaneuver those around him. He's not quite the apex predator, though, because that guy is....

The Correlator! He so earned the rote stuff, but quickly realized that was just information, facts and figures and is the bare basics to get ahead. He understands how it works and accepts that there are ways to do things that will trump the rote learner, because he understands how to put things together. He can take DISPARATE pieces of data, and uses them to build a bigger knowledge database that TIES THINGS TOGETHER. He is the macro-guy, the big picture guy, the guy who gets it and can tie it all together with everything else he knows. THAT GUY can master his domain, because only he knows everything within his domain, because the world is his oyster. He knows that 1+2=3, but more importantly he knows who else knows it, why it is important to them, and how he can use that information to give himself an advantage today and into the future. He has learned that macro is reality, because micro is for nerds in cubicles. He understands micro, but macro is where it's at.

Your better educational outlets TEACH YOU HOW TO BE A CORRELATOR and use it to your advantage.

That's my experience....and I'm a state school guy all the way.

 

[brass neck]

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Ever get annoyed when you're driving home in your 15 year old astra and some 18 year old whizzes past you in a car you could never afford but his dad could? Does that annoy you that you work hard you have had to battle, start in the shit shuffling department, working your way up but he gets his nice things because his dad worked hard? Well times that by 1000 and that's the injustice of a private education!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Britains Ruling Elite

I would love to know what they teach these wannabe heads of state that can't be/ isn't taught in regular schools and universities?

There must be something of substance they have that others do not? Is it just a state of mind?

Once we have that identified and passed on successfully, then get them all up against the wall comrades :)

I'll tell you what they teach them BLJ:
They teach them self confidence. They teach them resilience. They teach them a work ethic. They teach them to achieve and they teach them in fucking spades! And the difference to us state educated folk is genuinely profound.
Believe it or not. Like it or not that is what they teach them and that is why more often than not they succeed.

Interesting then that at university state school undergrads outperform public school ones in % of final degree classifications.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2013/06/two-new-reports-confirm-that-state-school-pupils-outperform-independent-ones-at-university/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2 ... niversity/</a>

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Britains Ruling Elite

When I was learning to be a Flight instructor, we learn there are 4 levels of learning: Rote, Understanding, Acceptance, Correlation.

For me, those 4 levels separate people out of the herd.

The Rote guy does what he is told. He learns how to do something and does it...nothing more, nothing less!

The Understanding guy knows the rote stuff and understands how it works and is able to manage the rote guys. Your lower level mgmt or supervisor guy, who did OK at the local
Comprehensive, and is "one of the guys."

Then there is the Acceptance guy. He learns rote, developed understanding and has learned both to BE accepted and accepted the way things work, and uses that to his advantage to get ahead. He accepts that he has a better understanding and uses that knowledge to leverage and outmaneuver those around him. He's not quite the apex predator, though, because that guy is....

The Correlator! He so earned the rote stuff, but quickly realized that was just information, facts and figures and is the bare basics to get ahead. He understands how it works and accepts that there are ways to do things that will trump the rote learner, because he understands how to put things together. He can take DISPARATE pieces of data, and uses them to build a bigger knowledge database that TIES THINGS TOGETHER. He is the macro-guy, the big picture guy, the guy who gets it and can tie it all together with everything else he knows. THAT GUY can master his domain, because only he knows everything within his domain, because the world is his oyster. He knows that 1+2=3, but more importantly he knows who else knows it, why it is important to them, and how he can use that information to give himself an advantage today and into the future. He has learned that macro is reality, because micro is for nerds in cubicles. He understands micro, but macro is where it's at.

Your better educational outlets TEACH YOU HOW TO BE A CORRELATOR and use it to your advantage.

That's my experience....and I'm a state school guy all the way.

Why are they so shit comparatively at university then?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2013/06/two-new-reports-confirm-that-state-school-pupils-outperform-independent-ones-at-university/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2 ... niversity/</a>