Britain's Ruling Elite

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Ifwecouldjust....... said:
TGR said:
BigJimLittleJim said:
I would love to know what they teach these wannabe heads of state that can't be/ isn't taught in regular schools and universities?

There must be something of substance they have that others do not? Is it just a state of mind?

Once we have that identified and passed on successfully, then get them all up against the wall comrades :)

I'll tell you what they teach them BLJ:
They teach them self confidence. They teach them resilience. They teach them a work ethic. They teach them to achieve and they teach them in fucking spades! And the difference to us state educated folk is genuinely profound.
Believe it or not. Like it or not that is what they teach them and that is why more often than not they succeed.


errrrr nooo........they teach them how to get through university interviews, how to get qualifications sufficient to get the best places at uni......the old school tie does all the rest

This definitely happens. My Cousin works in the City earning 100k plus a year and is often asked what school he went to by colleagues etc. When he says 'Manchester Grammar' there's always an atmosphere. He says it's like they can't understand how he infiltrated their world.
 
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the old boy's network is self-sustaining and works very well. For a tiny part of the population.
Our neighbours had a fresh start following the war, sadly, in the UK the situation of an unelected few having all the power and influence never wavered, inherited wealth, elite education, elite university, impenetrable networking (to the rest of us) leading to the same old same old. The bedrock of the ruling elite, the banks, have shrugged off the disgrace of PPI mis-selling, the banking crisis, with two fingers to the public and a whine about regulation. Nothing has changed, the politicians ignore the tax scams, the bogus charities etc. because they all piss in the same pot (Eton old boys dontcha know).
A well-educated well respected work-force with a surfeit of jobs to choose from is the only thing these people fear, and they make sure the situation never arises.
The most over-used phrase in political debate ''decent, hardworking'', panders to the smug view of themselves that is the hallmark of right-wing punters. It is, in reality just a propaganda sound-bite, with only headlines in the likes of the mail to back it.
 
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BimboBob said:
TGR said:
brass neck said:
Ever get annoyed when you're driving home in your 15 year old astra and some 18 year old whizzes past you in a car you could never afford but his dad could? Does that annoy you that you work hard you have had to battle, start in the shit shuffling department, working your way up but he gets his nice things because his dad worked hard? Well times that by 1000 and that's the injustice of a private education!

So it annoys that some people work their rocks off to give their children all of the chances and opportunities in life that they never had?
Sounds like you are either very selfish, very jealous or probably both
My brother sent both his kids to a posh school and had 3 jobs to pay for it. He wanted the best for his offspring. Is that wrong?
It's not wrong that he did it; it's wrong that he had to do it to get the best for his kids.
 
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mackenzie said:
This definitely happens. My Cousin works in the City earning 100k plus a year and is often asked what school he went to by colleagues etc. When he says 'Manchester Grammar' there's always an atmosphere. He says it's like they can't understand how he infiltrated their world.

I'm sorry, but this really isn't true.

Firstly, the finance world has so many people from all over the world, that a lot of these old grammar don't even register on their radar. Secondly, the banking industry is not as homogeneous as that at all. For a start, European, American and Japanese banks all retain their own culture to an extent; and once again, the school that staff members went to when they were 15/16 has absolutely no bearing on their career. Even in British banks, there are so many different nationalities there it remains an irrelevance.

What probably is more important is the University that an individual went to. Should there be more diversity in students at the top universities? Its hard for me to say, because the University I attended again, was predominantly made up of Europeans, Indians, and Chinese students.

However, the Brits I have met from places like Cambridge, Oxford, St Andrews, etc on the whole do not really fit the mould of Old Etonian. Sure, there are one or two who have shades of Boris about them, but I'd say most of them come from a pretty mixed backgrounds. Some private, some comprehensive.

Anyway, I digress slightly. The differentiating factor these days, for a career in finance at least, is University, not public school.
 
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roaminblue said:
mackenzie said:
This definitely happens. My Cousin works in the City earning 100k plus a year and is often asked what school he went to by colleagues etc. When he says 'Manchester Grammar' there's always an atmosphere. He says it's like they can't understand how he infiltrated their world.

I'm sorry, but this really isn't true.

Firstly, the finance world has so many people from all over the world, that a lot of these old grammar don't even register on their radar. Secondly, the banking industry is not as homogeneous as that at all. For a start, European, American and Japanese banks all retain their own culture to an extent; and once again, the school that staff members went to when they were 15/16 has absolutely no bearing on their career. Even in British banks, there are so many different nationalities there it remains an irrelevance.

What probably is more important is the University that an individual went to. Should there be more diversity in students at the top universities? Its hard for me to say, because the University I attended again, was predominantly made up of Europeans, Indians, and Chinese students.

However, the Brits I have met from places like Cambridge, Oxford, St Andrews, etc on the whole do not really fit the mould of Old Etonian. Sure, there are one or two who have shades of Boris about them, but I'd say most of them come from a pretty mixed backgrounds. Some private, some comprehensive.

Anyway, I digress slightly. The differentiating factor these days, for a career in finance at least, is University, not public school.

Well I'm sorry, I'm not a liar. That is what my cousin told me I have no reason not to believe him. He's a very rounded individual too and not given to paranoia.
 
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mackenzie said:
Well I'm sorry, I'm not a liar. That is what my cousin told me I have no reason not to believe him. He's a very rounded individual too and not given to paranoia.

I never said you were a liar, I'm saying I don't think your cousin's experiences are necessarily representative of the wider world of banking, particularly in London where an incredibly large minority are not even English.

Edit:

I'm even surprised that this comes up in conversation, if I'm honest. "What University?" sure, at an early stage in a career; but "what secondary school?" surprises me a great deal
 
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roaminblue said:
mackenzie said:
Well I'm sorry, I'm not a liar. That is what my cousin told me I have no reason not to believe him. He's a very rounded individual too and not given to paranoia.

I never said you were a liar, I'm saying I don't think your cousin's experiences are necessarily representative of the wider world of banking, particularly in London where an incredibly large minority are not even English.

Edit:

I'm even surprised that this comes up in conversation, if I'm honest. "What University?" sure, at an early stage in a career; but "what secondary school?" surprises me a great deal

It did happen to him on at least a couple of occasions, mainly in meeting those higher in the food chain (so to speak). Although I may be mistaken in that it was a question of which University rather than secondary school.
He went to one in the Midlands iirc.
 
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nimrod said:
Its time to scrap all this outdated old school tie shite that goes on in the UK, start by getting rid of the Royals, Earls, Lords, Duke's, all that outdated class drenched bollocks

Its all outmoded and all holding the country back

and dont tell me the Queen brings in tourists, Paris is the the No 1 tourist city in the world, and no Royals to be seen.
Bollocks
 
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nijinsky's fetlocks said:
ColinBellsjockstrap said:
Well a recent previous head of the Metropolitan police went to Fearns comprehensive school in Stacksteads, Bacup, so there's always hope.

So you are holding up some bent copper as one of our leading intellectual heavyweights?
Frankly I'm amazed that the head of the Met went to school at all, unless Planting Evidence, Lying Under Oath, Falsifying A Statement, and Shooting Brazilian Electricians are subjects on the syllabus at comprehensive schools nowadays.

Well fair comment, I can't really argue with that,.... however, the point I was making is it is sometimes possible to get to the top from humble beginnings, Harold Wilson and Margaret Thatcher being but two examples.
 
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totallywired said:
TGR said:
BigJimLittleJim said:
I would love to know what they teach these wannabe heads of state that can't be/ isn't taught in regular schools and universities?

There must be something of substance they have that others do not? Is it just a state of mind?

Once we have that identified and passed on successfully, then get them all up against the wall comrades :)

I'll tell you what they teach them BLJ:
They teach them self confidence. They teach them resilience. They teach them a work ethic. They teach them to achieve and they teach them in fucking spades! And the difference to us state educated folk is genuinely profound.
Believe it or not. Like it or not that is what they teach them and that is why more often than not they succeed.
Bollocks. They don`t succeed, they just become the next generation of same inbred family members to take over. Why do right wingers think they have the copyright on hard work? We all work hard for our wages believe it or not.
Work smarter in a job that not everyone can do then.
 

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