Challenger1978 said:Kazzydeyna said:40 years ago if you walked down the street with a machine gun and shot at random strangers you would be tried, convicted, and imprisoned. As you would today.
Unless you were a British soldier. Then you would be proclaimed a hero.
I've done this dance before with you and tried to have a reasonable debate with you on similar subjects.
It all comes down though to you being an utter utter unreasonable trolling ****.
I hope a squaddie from 40 years ago (like my dad) gets hold of you and gives you the kicking of your life and leaves you shitting in a bag for the rest of it.
-- Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:58 am --
cyberblue said:wa dont have a vary good record abroad as well as N i from Kenya to Cyprus .Malaysa & on to the recent conflicts .the problem is not the servicemen but the politicians .the troops are sent into an impossible situation as the locals dont want the army in there country. the IRA for eg barley existed till the troops went in .Politicans are quick to send in the troops then abandon them when something goes wrong
Spot fucking on, the politicians need to stop trying to use the Army as an international police force.
stonerblue said:mad4city said:If those guys were handpicked, it doesn't say much for the rest of the British Army.
Not only did they fail spectacularly in their mission ("to draw the IRA out and minimise their operations" - IRA activities actually went UP during their campaign and the organisation continued for decades) but they're actually boasting about their incompetence!
The priest interviewed made a very telling comment that was glossed over by the Panorama team. His suggestion that by committing these acts and covering them up with the official tale that they were either defending themselves (patently untrue, by all available evidence) or, in some instances, attributing the shootings to Loyalist paramilitaries, they only furthered the mistrusts between the various parties in Northern Ireland. In other words, far from helping to bring about an end to the Troubles (as was suggested at the end of the documentary), they actually prolonged them!
Mistakes get made in war and, as mistakes in that war go, this was a king-sized f**k up. Only Thatcher's mishandling of the hunger strikes matches it for incompetence.
Who'd have thought that indiscriminate killing of civilians by an occupying army would lead to a rise in the number of recruits to the enemy?
Wonder if that has happened anywhere else recently.
foxy said:Challenger1978 said:Kazzydeyna said:40 years ago if you walked down the street with a machine gun and shot at random strangers you would be tried, convicted, and imprisoned. As you would today.
Unless you were a British soldier. Then you would be proclaimed a hero.
I've done this dance before with you and tried to have a reasonable debate with you on similar subjects.
It all comes down though to you being an utter utter unreasonable trolling ****.
I hope a squaddie from 40 years ago (like my dad) gets hold of you and gives you the kicking of your life and leaves you shitting in a bag for the rest of it.
-- Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:58 am --
cyberblue said:wa dont have a vary good record abroad as well as N i from Kenya to Cyprus .Malaysa & on to the recent conflicts .the problem is not the servicemen but the politicians .the troops are sent into an impossible situation as the locals dont want the army in there country. the IRA for eg barley existed till the troops went in .Politicans are quick to send in the troops then abandon them when something goes wrong
Spot fucking on, the politicians need to stop trying to use the Army as an international police force.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Over the last 50 years Politicians think the Army can play the role of a police force. This was notable in Iraq straight after the invasion. Apart from the monkeys (RMP) the army isn't trained to carry out police work and keep order. Although there is some training such as Civ Pop at the back of the mind of each soldier their main armed infantry role still stands out.
Blue Mist said:I wonder how many posters on here are under 40 years of age, many I would think. The peace process was signed in 1984 nearly 30 years ago so although you may have read about Northern Ireland many were not around to daily see and hear about the atrocities.
I am not saying you cannot comment but posters like KazzyDeyna have no idea about the real fear everybody was under. If it meant the 'good guys' strayed I would say that is a consequence of war. If we investigated what went on in the two world wars I am sure many would be shocked. The difference is newspapers and 24 hour TV were not around then.
I find KazyDeynas post either very naïve or he is trolling and if he is, that is very disgusting.
pinkwheeltrim said:Every squaddie I have ever met has been a ****! (That includes my Uncle who did a tour of NI in the 80s and used to proudly boast of how he and his mates would batter any paddy they saw walking home from the pub alone!)