British Justice ... it sucks in this instance.

[oakiecokie]

If the abuse is illegal, then use 911. If it is annoying, welcome to the world of living with neighbors. If it is annoying to the point of needing to SAY something, SAY it! If it is annoying, but not illegal, but it spoils the enjoyment of living in your home, call the council and file a complaint.

There is NEVER a good reason to follow someone down the hallway to the toilet and do him with head butt and fists. Walk away. THAT is what trained killers are trained to do. I doubt your mate would have followed him to the loo if he thought he might get a good hiding from the annoying neighbor.

As YOU SAID, the red mist descended on your mate. After that, all bets are off.....and, as I abhor personal violence, ABH in the bog followed by a sentence sounds about right. Sorry you mate sounds like he got stitched up for glossing the guy.....BUT if he had had a verbal altercation in front of others, perhaps witnesses might have testified to there being significant provocation, no glass or bottle used, and NO ACTION TAKEN, other than getting thrown out of the pub.

I wonder how you would have felt if your mate had gone to the loo and been jumped by some nutter neighbor with the red mist, ending up getting butted and twatted? No doubt the NEIGHBOR would have been a ****!

There is a line....taking a V in the face is on one side, butting a guy and twitting him after following him to the loo is on the other....regardless of the length of the sentence. Once you put yourself at the mercy of the court, YOU LOSE YOUR ABILITY TO CONTROL YOUR OWN FUTURE.....and your mate knew that going in.

Everything you say is so true CB,but at the end of the day its easier to say than do and I`ve snapped over lesser things in my earlier years.
Unfortunately its cost Ant big time and please note that he hasn`t been in trouble before as a 49 year old married guy with two children who are in their mid twenties.He snapped alright but how far are you able to control your emotions after several years of shit ?
As others on this forum have suggested,if no-one actually saw what happened,why didn`t he say he knew nothing.Because thats not Anthonys nature and irrespective of what others may say,the one thing he is not is a liar.

 

[oakiecokie]

What I can't understand is you mate putting up with years of abuse, why not go around his place , or phone him, and have a straightener, get it sorted there and then, end of story.

They live literally yards away and this has been simmering for years.Anthony has kept a lid on a lot of things and it all came to a head when he snapped as the neighbour became the Billy Big Bollocks in the pub,giving him v-signs and making sure people heard what he was saying about Ant.
Arguments over litter,noise,kids,dust-bins,dogs,you name it.But when he started giving grief to his Missus and swearing at her,then the twat overstepped the mark.Ant went around but the fucker wouldn`t answer or open the door.
That was it.Or so they thought,until their paths next crossed in the pub and it kicked off,with Ant venting his fury at the guy who he told to "shut the fuck up".

Sounds like he should have moved a LONG time ago, or called the council or a lawyer. Personally, I'm not sure I would want to live next to a scrote family like this one sounds.

This has come a bit too late for the family and Ant has told his wife to put the house up for Sale immediately.The old adage "after the horse has bolted etc" I know,

 

[ChicagoBlue]

If the abuse is illegal, then use 911. If it is annoying, welcome to the world of living with neighbors. If it is annoying to the point of needing to SAY something, SAY it! If it is annoying, but not illegal, but it spoils the enjoyment of living in your home, call the council and file a complaint.

There is NEVER a good reason to follow someone down the hallway to the toilet and do him with head butt and fists. Walk away. THAT is what trained killers are trained to do. I doubt your mate would have followed him to the loo if he thought he might get a good hiding from the annoying neighbor.

As YOU SAID, the red mist descended on your mate. After that, all bets are off.....and, as I abhor personal violence, ABH in the bog followed by a sentence sounds about right. Sorry you mate sounds like he got stitched up for glossing the guy.....BUT if he had had a verbal altercation in front of others, perhaps witnesses might have testified to there being significant provocation, no glass or bottle used, and NO ACTION TAKEN, other than getting thrown out of the pub.

I wonder how you would have felt if your mate had gone to the loo and been jumped by some nutter neighbor with the red mist, ending up getting butted and twatted? No doubt the NEIGHBOR would have been a ****!

There is a line....taking a V in the face is on one side, butting a guy and twitting him after following him to the loo is on the other....regardless of the length of the sentence. Once you put yourself at the mercy of the court, YOU LOSE YOUR ABILITY TO CONTROL YOUR OWN FUTURE.....and your mate knew that going in.

Everything you say is so true CB,but at the end of the day its easier to say than do and I`ve snapped over lesser things in my earlier years.
Unfortunately its cost Ant big time and please note that he hasn`t been in trouble before as a 49 year old married guy with two children who are in their mid twenties.He snapped alright but how far are you able to control your emotions after several years of shit ?
As others on this forum have suggested,if no-one actually saw what happened,why didn`t he say he knew nothing.Because thats not Anthonys nature and irrespective of what others may say,the one thing he is not is a liar.

Certainly laudable to not be a liar, but as a convicted criminal, with a record for ABH, it is a hollow victory.

Sounds like your mate is a decent fella 99.99999% of the time. Maybe, if he had a few years worth of legal papers, police reports, council complaints and meeting minutes, etc, etc... It would have been the neighbor who came across as the tosser he sounds. Alas, your mate took it and took it and took it until he couldn't take it anymore. THAT was his big mistake. The LEGAL SYSTEM is there to protect men like your mate, but he has to USE IT. In this instance, the scrote used it AGAINST HIM, and left him with little legal recourse than to accept the Judge's demands.

I hope he can get his life back together in 14 months, and hope he can get a different house sorted and get some early release. As a 50 yr old fella without a blemish on my own record, I sound a bit like your mate. Had the red mist a time or two myself, but what you do under those circumstances can make or break you. Thankfully, no-one has gone after the missus in a bar at the time.

Like I said, sometimes you just have to walk away and be the bigger person, even if it looks like you are a pussy. Bad situation all around, but sometimes there is not a good option, just one that is less bad than others.

 

[fbloke]

Why would you allow your neighbour to put you through years of grief and torment if you are then going to banjo him in the shithouse (no not like that) for a very slight offending action?

That doesnt add up for me TBH.

Interestingly if the grief and torment had been reported and diarised then the same judicial system that has been 'harsh' in this case may well have been 'harsh' towards the anti-social behaviour of the neighbour.

I haven't managed to read all replies so I apologise if this has already been pointed out.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

No going to argue with you Skash,but just have a read of BP`s post above.In this instance this is exactly what happened.

But I still don't understand what happened exactly regarding the charge. You made it sound like he pleaded guilty to common assault but then the charge was upgraded to ABH without him being given a chance to plead again. That couldn't have happened.

Sorry Col but I thought I`d explained on more than one occasion.The original charge by the Police was one of "common assault" which was for hitting with fists and head and something which Anthony has always admitted to.Although the Police at THAT time found NO evidence to suggest a Bottle/Glass had been used,based on their findings and that off a medical assessment at a Hospital.
Weeks later after both parties had sought legal help Anthony was then called to an urgent meeting with his Solicitor who then advised him that the charges had been changed to a more violent one,over an accusation of a Bottle/Glass being used.
Ant told them to fuck off and said there was NO way he would ever admit to that,as he was NOT guilty of an attack with anything other than his fists and head.

Sorry to be a pain Alan but not being a lawyer, I only vaguely understand the process. He would presumably have been charged by the police with Common Assault and gone before magistrates, where I'm guessing he pleaded guilty to that charge. Magistrates then decide whether they can deal with the case or whether it needs to go to Crown Court for sentencing. I guess it was the latter, which would indicate that they felt a custodial sentence of greater than 6 months was appropriate.

But sometime after that, CPS changed the charge to ABH, which they can do. But surely they can't just treat a guilty plea to one charge as a guilty plea to a different one. Therefore he must have been given a chance to plead to the ABH charge? So if he was saying he would not admit to that, then I'm struggling to see how it was in his interest to plead guilty. I know you probably can't answer that, it's just that I can't get my head round why he wasn't advised to go to trial.

 

[cibaman]

But I still don't understand what happened exactly regarding the charge. You made it sound like he pleaded guilty to common assault but then the charge was upgraded to ABH without him being given a chance to plead again. That couldn't have happened.

Sorry Col but I thought I`d explained on more than one occasion.The original charge by the Police was one of "common assault" which was for hitting with fists and head and something which Anthony has always admitted to.Although the Police at THAT time found NO evidence to suggest a Bottle/Glass had been used,based on their findings and that off a medical assessment at a Hospital.
Weeks later after both parties had sought legal help Anthony was then called to an urgent meeting with his Solicitor who then advised him that the charges had been changed to a more violent one,over an accusation of a Bottle/Glass being used.
Ant told them to fuck off and said there was NO way he would ever admit to that,as he was NOT guilty of an attack with anything other than his fists and head.

Sorry to be a pain Alan but not being a lawyer, I only vaguely understand the process. He would presumably have been charged by the police with Common Assault and gone before magistrates, where I'm guessing he pleaded guilty to that charge. Magistrates then decide whether they can deal with the case or whether it needs to go to Crown Court for sentencing. I guess it was the latter, which would indicate that they felt a custodial sentence of greater than 6 months was appropriate.

But sometime after that, CPS changed the charge to ABH, which they can do. But surely they can't just treat a guilty plea to one charge as a guilty plea to a different one. Therefore he must have been given a chance to plead to the ABH charge? So if he was saying he would not admit to that, then I'm struggling to see how it was in his interest to plead guilty. I know you probably can't answer that, it's just that I can't get my head round why he wasn't advised to go to trial.

It would have had to have been upgraded to ABH before the magistrates accepted his guilty plea to common assault. That's not unusual. A case might be initially charged as common assault, bail granted pending a further hearing. The CPS review the case, decide the injuries are perhaps more serious than first thought and that there are aggravating factors such as use of a bottle so decide to upgrade to ABH. The case goes back to the Magistrates Court and they decide if it should be sent to Crown Court. If he formally pleaded guilty then it was to ABH, not common assault.

 

[Cellarite]

If the abuse is illegal, then use 911.

I fail to see how that would have helped anyone.

 

[dronefromsector7g]

If the abuse is illegal, then use 911.

I fail to see how that would have helped anyone.

That's pizza express. It would've certainly defused the tension ;-)

 

[Cellarite]

If the abuse is illegal, then use 911.

I fail to see how that would have helped anyone.

That's pizza express. It would've certainly defused the tension ;-)

We all know the Yanks solution and it'd cause far more trouble than a Stella bottle across the back of the head.

 

[billfromthehill]

Pub thug beats up guy in toilet and gets sent down.
Then he starts crying about getting stitched up by the guy
Who got twatted and then his mate starts a thread about it on bluemoon complaining about justice.
In my opinion chum you are forgetting just who should be getting justice here



P,s how is the other fella doing?

 

[oakiecokie]

Pub thug beats up guy in toilet and gets sent down.
Then he starts crying about getting stitched up by the guy
Who got twatted and then his mate starts a thread about it on bluemoon complaining about justice.
In my opinion chum you are forgetting just who should be getting justice here



P,s how is the other fella doing?

Great.Still unemployed for the passed 15 years,has decent holidays,likes a beer, a smoke,never out of pocket.
Another fucker who cant be arsed reading it properly.Its fuck all to do with the sentence but ... ah what the fuck.You`re only on here to wum.
Stupid response as its obvious who has got the justice.A simple lying twat who aint done a fucking days work for years,lives off the state and never short of a bob or two.

 

[Chris in London]

Okay Oakie, you've got the guy who followed the other into the bogs saying 'yes I twatted him but I didn't use a bottle', and you've got the guy who got twitted saying 'oh yes you did use a bottle' and you have the landlord who says 'I swept up broken glass from the bogs.'

It seems common ground that if he did use a bottle, the sentence should be stiffer than if he didn't.

Given that under our system of law a judge decides on the sentence (not a jury) what alternative do you suggest to a judge hearing the case to decide whether he did or didn't?

 

[fbloke]

Pub thug beats up guy in toilet and gets sent down.
Then he starts crying about getting stitched up by the guy
Who got twatted and then his mate starts a thread about it on bluemoon complaining about justice.
In my opinion chum you are forgetting just who should be getting justice here



P,s how is the other fella doing?

Great.Still unemployed for the passed 15 years,has decent holidays,likes a beer, a smoke,never out of pocket.
Another fucker who cant be arsed reading it properly.Its fuck all to do with the sentence but ... ah what the fuck.You`re only on here to wum.
Stupid response as its obvious who has got the justice.A simple lying twat who aint done a fucking days work for years,lives off the state and never short of a bob or two.

Without being rude what the fuck has his income and lifestyle got to do with it?

Your mate beat up a bloke he didn't like.

There is no justification for it.

 

[TINY]

Anyone, IMO, who has it in them to say "enough is enough" and follow someone into a toilet and then best him up, deserves to be in prison. Bottle or no bottle, I'd want this fella behind bars for a long time. Dangerous man clearly.

 

[jimharri]

Pub thug beats up guy in toilet and gets sent down.
Then he starts crying about getting stitched up by the guy
Who got twatted and then his mate starts a thread about it on bluemoon complaining about justice.
In my opinion chum you are forgetting just who should be getting justice here



P,s how is the other fella doing?

Great.Still unemployed for the passed 15 years,has decent holidays,likes a beer, a smoke,never out of pocket.
Another fucker who cant be arsed reading it properly.Its fuck all to do with the sentence but ... ah what the fuck.You`re only on here to wum.
Stupid response as its obvious who has got the justice.A simple lying twat who aint done a fucking days work for years,lives off the state and never short of a bob or two.

Without being rude what the fuck has his income and lifestyle got to do with it?

Your mate beat up a bloke he didn't like.

There is no justification for it.

Yeah; I thought that was a bit of an odd comment to bring into the discussion. Does it really matter if the victim was a lazy, workshy sod or if he worked 80 hours a week? He got attacked in the bogs at the pub.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

What I can't understand is you mate putting up with years of abuse, why not go around his place , or phone him, and have a straightener, get it sorted there and then, end of story.

They live literally yards away and this has been simmering for years.Anthony has kept a lid on a lot of things and it all came to a head when he snapped as the neighbour became the Billy Big Bollocks in the pub,giving him v-signs and making sure people heard what he was saying about Ant.
Arguments over litter,noise,kids,dust-bins,dogs,you name it.But when he started giving grief to his Missus and swearing at her,then the twat overstepped the mark.Ant went around but the fucker wouldn`t answer or open the door.
That was it.Or so they thought,until their paths next crossed in the pub and it kicked off,with Ant venting his fury at the guy who he told to "shut the fuck up".

Sounds like he should have moved a LONG time ago, or called the council or a lawyer. Personally, I'm not sure I would want to live next to a scrote family like this one sounds.

Which of the families though?

 

[rick773]

If the abuse is illegal, then use 911. If it is annoying, welcome to the world of living with neighbors. If it is annoying to the point of needing to SAY something, SAY it! If it is annoying, but not illegal, but it spoils the enjoyment of living in your home, call the council and file a complaint.

There is NEVER a good reason to follow someone down the hallway to the toilet and do him with head butt and fists. Walk away. THAT is what trained killers are trained to do. I doubt your mate would have followed him to the loo if he thought he might get a good hiding from the annoying neighbor.

As YOU SAID, the red mist descended on your mate. After that, all bets are off.....and, as I abhor personal violence, ABH in the bog followed by a sentence sounds about right. Sorry your mate sounds like he got stitched up for glassing the guy.....BUT if he had had a verbal altercation in front of others, perhaps witnesses might have testified to there being significant provocation, no glass or bottle used, and NO ACTION TAKEN, other than getting thrown out of the pub.

I wonder how you would have felt if your mate had gone to the loo and been jumped by some nutter neighbor with the red mist, ending up getting butted and twatted? No doubt the NEIGHBOR would have been a ****!

There is a line....taking a V in the face is on one side, butting a guy and twitting him after following him to the loo is on the other....regardless of the length of the sentence. Once you put yourself at the mercy of the court, YOU LOSE YOUR ABILITY TO CONTROL YOUR OWN FUTURE.....and your mate knew that going in.

I think you'll find its 999 , 911 gets you pizza over here or a lady boy

was this to trick gullible people?just tried the 911 pizza/lady boy hotline and its still an emergency number. Really unimpressed operator when i said i read on the internet it was for other things here. maybe because i called from my mobile.

 

[mancunial]

As soon as he heard he was being charged he should have brought a counter charge, also lied through his back teeth about this guy, being honest in this situation can get you put in prison,??? the judge the police the system DOES NOT CARE if your friend is innocent or not, a collar is a collar, karma will come back on this guy, your friend will get time off where ever he lives if he is a model prisoner, the red mist is one hell of disastrous emotion I should know, if you are a true friend support him because his head will be in turmoil.

 

[bluemoon32]

Can't believe the guy did it with people around and then also admitted it.......that's what dark nights , alibi's and balaclavas are for ffs

 

[Challenger1978]

Can't believe the guy did it with people around and then also admitted it.......that's what dark nights , alibi's and balaclavas are for ffs

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