Bundesliga review part 2. the new one :)

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SPIDERBOY said:
Apparently dortmund have applied for the licence to play in 2 bundesliga next season.
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Why do you need a license to play in Bundesliga 2?

Are they going to lose some key players this month if they are preparing to get relegated?
 
sam-caddick said:
SPIDERBOY said:
Apparently dortmund have applied for the licence to play in 2 bundesliga next season.
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Why do you need a license to play in Bundesliga 2?

Are they going to lose some key players this month if they are preparing to get relegated?
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you need a Bundesliga license to play in Bundesliga 1 or 2. You have to declare your financial situation and that is different for a Bundesliga 2 license because of the lower revenues.
 
MCFCHOWELL said:
I'd presume if you had to apply to play in the 2nd division, that all clubs who are low down (Bremen, Freiburg etc) will also be applying for one.
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Yes. Getting the license is important in case you get relegated as if you do not have it you have to go down to third or even fourth league. Even without or before FFP Germany have a strict licensing in which the clubs are not allowed to make too much debt.
 
Winter break in german football, so it is time for the current standings

Bundesliga

Okay, Bayern is for another time german champion, but the race for europe is still open and at the bottom at least one of the big teams may drop into Bundesliga 2

1. Bayern München 45 41-4 (CL)
2. VfL Wolfsburg 34 33-17 (CL)
3. Bayer Leverkusen 28 28-20 (CL)
4. Borussia Mönchengladbach 27 25-16 (CLQ)
5. Schalke 04 27 28-21 (EL)
6. FC Augsburg 27 22-21 (EL)
7. TSG Hoffenheim 26 29-25
8. Hannover 96 24 21-26
9. Eintracht Frankfurt 23 34-34
10. SC Paderborn 19 21-26
11. 1. FC Köln 19 17-23
12. Mainz 05 18 19-23
13. Hertha BSC 18 24-35
14. Hamburger SV 17 9-19
15. VfB Stuttgart 17 20-32
16. Werder Bremen 17 26-39 (PO)
17. Borussia Dortmund 15 18-26 (REL)
18. SC Freiburg 15 17-25 (REL)

Average Attendances

1. Borussia Dortmund 80,438
2. Bayern München 71,000
3. Schalke 04 61,470
4. Hertha BSC 52,603
5. Hamburger SV 51,548
6. Borussia Mönchengladbach 50,434
7. 1. FC Köln 48,736
8. VfB Stuttgart 47,288
9. Eintracht Frankfurt 47,222
10. Hannover 96 42,700
11. Werder Bremen 40,786
12. Mainz 05 30,065
13. FC Augsburg 29,495
14. Bayer Leverkusen 29,097
15. VfL Wolfsburg 27,700
16. TSG Hoffenheim 26,013
17. SC Freiburg 23,769
18. SC Paderborn 14,909

Goal Scorer

1. Alexander Meier (Eintracht Frankfurt)13
2. Arjen Robben (Bayern München) 10
3. Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting (Schalke 04) 9
4. Karim Bellarabi (Bayer Leverkusen) 8
5. Shinji Okazaki (Mainz 05) 8

Best Players (based on 5 newspapers, tv stations from 1= best to 6=worst)

1. Arjen Robben (Bayern München) 1.93
2. Franck Ribery (Bayern München) 2. 63
3. Xabi Alonso (Bayern München) 2.66
4. Karim Bellarabi (Bayer Leverkusen) 2.69
5. Ralf Fährmann (Schalke 04) 2.70
6. Kevin de Bruyne (VfL Wolfsburg) 2.72
7. Jerome Boateng (Bayern München) 2.75
8. Philipp Lahm (Bayern München) 2.78
9. Gonzalo Castro (Bayer Leverkusen) 2.82
10. Martin Stranzl (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 2.82
11. Felix Wiedwald (Eintracht Frankfurt) 2.82

Bundesliga 2

No one outside Ingolstadt would really enjoy them in the Bundesliga, but behind them there is a number of clubs with a big tradition. For 1860 München and St. Pauli there is trouble ahead.

1. FC Ingolstadt 04 40 (PR)
2. Karlsruher SC 33 (PR)
3. SV Darmstadt 98 33 (PO)
4. Eintracht Braunschweig 33
5. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 32
6. Fortuna Düsseldorf 31
7. RB Leipzig 29
8. 1. FC Nürnberg 27
9. 1. FC Heidenheim 25
10. Union Berlin 24
11. VfL Bochum 23
12. Greuther Fürth 23
13. FSV Frankfurt 21
14. SV Sandhausen 20
15. 1860 München 17
16. VfR Aalen 17 (PO)
17. FC St. Pauli 16 (REL)
18. Erzgebirge Aue 14 (REL)

Average Attendances

1. 1. FC Nürnberg 32,434
2. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 32, 036
3. Fortuna Düsseldorf 31, 617
4. RB Leipzig 26,348
5. FC St. Pauli 25, 701
6. Eintracht Braunschweig 21, 612
7. 1860 München 19, 444
8. Union Berlin 18, 688
9. VfL Bochum 18, 127
10. Karlsruher SC 14, 270
11. SV Darmstadt 98 13, 350
12. 1. FC Heidenheim 12, 030
13. Greuther Fürth 11,665
14. Erzgebirge Aue 8, 433
15. Ingolstadt 04 8, 244
16. VfR Aalen 7, 373
17. FSV Frankfurt 5, 819
18. SV Sandhausen 5, 394


League 3

Bielefeld and Münster, the old westfalian rivals, on their way into Bundesliga 2

1. Arminia Bielefeld 43 (PR)
2. Preußen Münster 39 (PR)
3. Stuttgarter Kickers 38 (PO)
4. Dynamo Dresden 38
5. Energie Cottbus 37
6. MSV Duisburg 36
7. VfL Osnabrück 35
8. RW Erfurt 34
9. Wehen Wiesbaden 33
10. Holstein Kiel 33
11. Fortuna Köln 30
12. Hallescher FC 29
13. Chemnitzer FC 28
14. Spvgg Unterhaching 26
15. VfB Stuttgart U23 26
16. Borussia Dortmund U 23 21
17. Mainz 05 U 23 21
18. Sonnenhof Großaspach 21 (REL)
19. Hansa Rostock 17 (REL)
20. Jahn Regensburg 12 (REL)


Average Attendances

1. Dynamo Dresden 24, 013
2. Arminia Bielefeld 11, 720
3. MSV Duisburg 11, 620
4. Preußen Münster 9, 423
5. Hansa Rostock 9, 242
6. VfL Osnabrück 8, 439
7. Energie Cottbus 8, 189
8. Hallescher FC 7, 155
9. RW Erfurt 6, 040
10. Chemnitzer FC 5, 732
11. Holstein Kiel 5, 352
12. Jahn Regensburg 3, 576
13. Wehen Wiesbaden 3, 370
14. Borussia Dortmund U 23 3, 120
15. Stuttgarter Kickers 2, 961
16. Sonnenhof Großaspach 2, 930
17. Spvgg Unterhaching 2, 492
18. Fortuna Köln 2, 084
19. Mainz 05 U 23 1, 273
20. VfB Stuttgart U23 1, 176

League 4 is played in five divisions.


League 4 Division North

The misery of League 4, it is full of reserve teams

1. Hamburger SV U 23 45 (PO)
2. Werder Bremen U 23 40
3. VfL Wolfsburg U 23 37
4. SV Meppen 33
5. ETSV Weiche 32

League 4 Division Northeast

1. FC Magdeburg, european cup winner in 1974, Carl Zeiss Jena, european cup finalist in 1981, down they went.

1. Wacker Nordhausen 30 (PO)
2. FSV Zwickau 29
3. 1. FC Magdeburg 28
4. Berliner AK 24
5. Carl Zeiss Jena 23

League 4 Division West

Essen, Aachen, Oberhausen, all former Bundesliga clubs, now in the graveyard of tradition aka League 4, same for Offenbach and Saarbrücken in the southwest division

1. RW Essen 38 (PO)
2. Alemannia Aachen 38
3. Borussia Mönchengladbach U 23 36
4. Viktoria Köln 32
5. RW Oberhausen 31

League 4 Division Southwest

1. Kickers Offenbach 49 (PO)
2. 1. FC Saarbrücken 43 (PO)
3. SV Elversberg 41
4. 1. FC Kaiserslautern U 23 33
5. Wormatia Worms 33

League 4 Division Bavaria

At least 1860 is ahead of Bayern here

1. Würzburger Kickers 51 (PO)
2. 1860 München U 23 48
3. Bayern München U 23 44
4. FV Illertissen 36
5. FC Ingolstadt U 23 35
 
Ruhr said:
Winter break in german football, so it is time for the current standings

Bundesliga

Okay, Bayern is for another time german champion, but the race for europe is still open and at the bottom at least one of the big teams may drop into Bundesliga 2

1. Bayern München 45 41-4 (CL)
2. VfL Wolfsburg 34 33-17 (CL)
3. Bayer Leverkusen 28 28-20 (CL)
4. Borussia Mönchengladbach 27 25-16 (CLQ)
5. Schalke 04 27 28-21 (EL)
6. FC Augsburg 27 22-21 (EL)
7. TSG Hoffenheim 26 29-25
8. Hannover 96 24 21-26
9. Eintracht Frankfurt 23 34-34
10. SC Paderborn 19 21-26
11. 1. FC Köln 19 17-23
12. Mainz 05 18 19-23
13. Hertha BSC 18 24-35
14. Hamburger SV 17 9-19
15. VfB Stuttgart 17 20-32
16. Werder Bremen 17 26-39 (PO)
17. Borussia Dortmund 15 18-26 (REL)
18. SC Freiburg 15 17-25 (REL)

Average Attendances

1. Borussia Dortmund 80,438
2. Bayern München 71,000
3. Schalke 04 61,470
4. Hertha BSC 52,603
5. Hamburger SV 51,548
6. Borussia Mönchengladbach 50,434
7. 1. FC Köln 48,736
8. VfB Stuttgart 47,288
9. Eintracht Frankfurt 47,222
10. Hannover 96 42,700
11. Werder Bremen 40,786
12. Mainz 05 30,065
13. FC Augsburg 29,495
14. Bayer Leverkusen 29,097
15. VfL Wolfsburg 27,700
16. TSG Hoffenheim 26,013
17. SC Freiburg 23,769
18. SC Paderborn 14,909

Goal Scorer

1. Alexander Meier (Eintracht Frankfurt)13
2. Arjen Robben (Bayern München) 10
3. Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting (Schalke 04) 9
4. Karim Bellarabi (Bayer Leverkusen) 8
5. Shinji Okazaki (Mainz 05) 8

Best Players (based on 5 newspapers, tv stations from 1= best to 6=worst)

1. Arjen Robben (Bayern München) 1.93
2. Franck Ribery (Bayern München) 2. 63
3. Xabi Alonso (Bayern München) 2.66
4. Karim Bellarabi (Bayer Leverkusen) 2.69
5. Ralf Fährmann (Schalke 04) 2.70
6. Kevin de Bruyne (VfL Wolfsburg) 2.72
7. Jerome Boateng (Bayern München) 2.75
8. Philipp Lahm (Bayern München) 2.78
9. Gonzalo Castro (Bayer Leverkusen) 2.82
10. Martin Stranzl (Borussia Mönchengladbach) 2.82
11. Felix Wiedwald (Eintracht Frankfurt) 2.82

Bundesliga 2

No one outside Ingolstadt would really enjoy them in the Bundesliga, but behind them there is a number of clubs with a big tradition. For 1860 München and St. Pauli there is trouble ahead.

1. FC Ingolstadt 04 40 (PR)
2. Karlsruher SC 33 (PR)
3. SV Darmstadt 98 33 (PO)
4. Eintracht Braunschweig 33
5. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 32
6. Fortuna Düsseldorf 31
7. RB Leipzig 29
8. 1. FC Nürnberg 27
9. 1. FC Heidenheim 25
10. Union Berlin 24
11. VfL Bochum 23
12. Greuther Fürth 23
13. FSV Frankfurt 21
14. SV Sandhausen 20
15. 1860 München 17
16. VfR Aalen 17 (PO)
17. FC St. Pauli 16 (REL)
18. Erzgebirge Aue 14 (REL)

Average Attendances

1. 1. FC Nürnberg 32,434
2. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 32, 036
3. Fortuna Düsseldorf 31, 617
4. RB Leipzig 26,348
5. FC St. Pauli 25, 701
6. Eintracht Braunschweig 21, 612
7. 1860 München 19, 444
8. Union Berlin 18, 688
9. VfL Bochum 18, 127
10. Karlsruher SC 14, 270
11. SV Darmstadt 98 13, 350
12. 1. FC Heidenheim 12, 030
13. Greuther Fürth 11,665
14. Erzgebirge Aue 8, 433
15. Ingolstadt 04 8, 244
16. VfR Aalen 7, 373
17. FSV Frankfurt 5, 819
18. SV Sandhausen 5, 394


League 3

Bielefeld and Münster, the old westfalian rivals, on their way into Bundesliga 2

1. Arminia Bielefeld 43 (PR)
2. Preußen Münster 39 (PR)
3. Stuttgarter Kickers 38 (PO)
4. Dynamo Dresden 38
5. Energie Cottbus 37
6. MSV Duisburg 36
7. VfL Osnabrück 35
8. RW Erfurt 34
9. Wehen Wiesbaden 33
10. Holstein Kiel 33
11. Fortuna Köln 30
12. Hallescher FC 29
13. Chemnitzer FC 28
14. Spvgg Unterhaching 26
15. VfB Stuttgart U23 26
16. Borussia Dortmund U 23 21
17. Mainz 05 U 23 21
18. Sonnenhof Großaspach 21 (REL)
19. Hansa Rostock 17 (REL)
20. Jahn Regensburg 12 (REL)


Average Attendances

1. Dynamo Dresden 24, 013
2. Arminia Bielefeld 11, 720
3. MSV Duisburg 11, 620
4. Preußen Münster 9, 423
5. Hansa Rostock 9, 242
6. VfL Osnabrück 8, 439
7. Energie Cottbus 8, 189
8. Hallescher FC 7, 155
9. RW Erfurt 6, 040
10. Chemnitzer FC 5, 732
11. Holstein Kiel 5, 352
12. Jahn Regensburg 3, 576
13. Wehen Wiesbaden 3, 370
14. Borussia Dortmund U 23 3, 120
15. Stuttgarter Kickers 2, 961
16. Sonnenhof Großaspach 2, 930
17. Spvgg Unterhaching 2, 492
18. Fortuna Köln 2, 084
19. Mainz 05 U 23 1, 273
20. VfB Stuttgart U23 1, 176

League 4 is played in five divisions.


League 4 Division North

The misery of League 4, it is full of reserve teams

1. Hamburger SV U 23 45 (PO)
2. Werder Bremen U 23 40
3. VfL Wolfsburg U 23 37
4. SV Meppen 33
5. ETSV Weiche 32

League 4 Division Northeast

1. FC Magdeburg, european cup winner in 1974, Carl Zeiss Jena, european cup finalist in 1981, down they went.

1. Wacker Nordhausen 30 (PO)
2. FSV Zwickau 29
3. 1. FC Magdeburg 28
4. Berliner AK 24
5. Carl Zeiss Jena 23

League 4 Division West

Essen, Aachen, Oberhausen, all former Bundesliga clubs, now in the graveyard of tradition aka League 4, same for Offenbach and Saarbrücken in the southwest division

1. RW Essen 38 (PO)
2. Alemannia Aachen 38
3. Borussia Mönchengladbach U 23 36
4. Viktoria Köln 32
5. RW Oberhausen 31

League 4 Division Southwest

1. Kickers Offenbach 49 (PO)
2. 1. FC Saarbrücken 43 (PO)
3. SV Elversberg 41
4. 1. FC Kaiserslautern U 23 33
5. Wormatia Worms 33

League 4 Division Bavaria

At least 1860 is ahead of Bayern here

1. Würzburger Kickers 51 (PO)
2. 1860 München U 23 48
3. Bayern München U 23 44
4. FV Illertissen 36
5. FC Ingolstadt U 23 35
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You're forgetting the only FC Ingolstadt "fan" from Manchester. ;)
 
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