Bundesliga review

[bayern-flo2]

The hype has reached a new dimension...They are going to broadcast Bayerns first training session under Guardiola on public TV today.

Seriously...

The next step will be pay-per-view :-)

 

[Falastur]

Apologies if this has already been asked guys, but I don't follow this thread constantly.

I was reading a couple of things yesterday about how Bayern dominated the Bundesliga and are raiding Dortmund for players, and the article's line essentially was that in spite of it suddenly appearing as one of the top leagues in Europe again, the fact that no-one can touch Bayern and that German FA rules prevent sugar daddy owners means that the Bundesliga is doomed to be a boring one-horse race for a number of years to come in spite of the attractive football and the energy of the crowds, and it was going on about how no league can truly call itself great if one team dominates it. This was not an article written by a German, and it quite possibly was written by an English guy seeking to justify the PL's tag as "the world's best league". Is this how actual German fans see it, or do you think that the Bundesliga is on its way to the top, etc?

 

[Bembeltown]

Apologies if this has already been asked guys, but I don't follow this thread constantly.

I was reading a couple of things yesterday about how Bayern dominated the Bundesliga and are raiding Dortmund for players, and the article's line essentially was that in spite of it suddenly appearing as one of the top leagues in Europe again, the fact that no-one can touch Bayern and that German FA rules prevent sugar daddy owners means that the Bundesliga is doomed to be a boring one-horse race for a number of years to come in spite of the attractive football and the energy of the crowds, and it was going on about how no league can truly call itself great if one team dominates it. This was not an article written by a German, and it quite possibly was written by an English guy seeking to justify the PL's tag as "the world's best league". Is this how actual German fans see it, or do you think that the Bundesliga is on its way to the top, etc?

Well....it depends on how you define "top". It is true that the league might become a boring one or two horse race (if Dortmund doesnt fuck it up) in the future as I don´t really see anyone else than Dortmund challenge Bayern.

Dortmund should be able to establish themself as a constant participant of the Champions League and with the extra money, some sensible spending and
a bit of luck they might be able to stay up there.

Behind those two the league is pretty open and last season showed that you dont have to spend big to be able to compete for the Euro League slots/Champions League.

Other than that the league gets some deserved attention as the football on display is (mostly) exciting, there is a lot of german talent around and the attendances are huge. Huge attendances mainly due to the fact that going to games is much more affordable than going to a PL game.

It was mentioned already a couple of times on here, but on average the Bundesliga crowd is a lot younger than the PL crowd as in England its mostly the lads in their 40-50s who are able to afford going home and away.

So if you define top as entertaining, then the Bundesliga is definitely on the rise, however if you define top as "multiple teams challenging for the title" it definitely isnt.

The funny thing is that Bayern stated last season that they are interested in a league with decent competition and don´t want it to become a one horse race...Just to buy Mario Götze from Dortmund a week later. :)

But thats just my 2 cents and lets better not get into the "sugardaddy" discussion again as it is bound to cause a huge shitstorm. ;)

 

[Maldeika]

The Bundesliga in the last 40 years was a Bayern or league - and I think it seldom really was boring because Bayern did not get the title every year and the challengers were changing.

Bayern now won one year after they lost two years - after being 2nd and 3rd the 2 years before. Yes, they did in a record fashion - but that was more a result of the losses the year before.

I do not even see Dortmund as a clear second in the next years.

Nothing is set. Maybe Bayern has another year or two in which they go full gear - but then another team will come and be Bundesliga Champion...

 

[bayern blade]

Apologies if this has already been asked guys, but I don't follow this thread constantly.

I was reading a couple of things yesterday about how Bayern dominated the Bundesliga and are raiding Dortmund for players, and the article's line essentially was that in spite of it suddenly appearing as one of the top leagues in Europe again, the fact that no-one can touch Bayern and that German FA rules prevent sugar daddy owners means that the Bundesliga is doomed to be a boring one-horse race for a number of years to come in spite of the attractive football and the energy of the crowds, and it was going on about how no league can truly call itself great if one team dominates it. This was not an article written by a German, and it quite possibly was written by an English guy seeking to justify the PL's tag as "the world's best league". Is this how actual German fans see it, or do you think that the Bundesliga is on its way to the top, etc?

It's the same as any other league tbf, look all around europe and there are two, possibly three teams who dominate.
In Germany it is generally Bayern and one other, currently Dortmund. Yes we got Götze from BVB but they gave him a get out clause so they can hardly whine when someone uses it. Dortmund will be strong next year and I see the BL as a whole as a strong league.

 

[Falastur]

Apologies if this has already been asked guys, but I don't follow this thread constantly.

I was reading a couple of things yesterday about how Bayern dominated the Bundesliga and are raiding Dortmund for players, and the article's line essentially was that in spite of it suddenly appearing as one of the top leagues in Europe again, the fact that no-one can touch Bayern and that German FA rules prevent sugar daddy owners means that the Bundesliga is doomed to be a boring one-horse race for a number of years to come in spite of the attractive football and the energy of the crowds, and it was going on about how no league can truly call itself great if one team dominates it. This was not an article written by a German, and it quite possibly was written by an English guy seeking to justify the PL's tag as "the world's best league". Is this how actual German fans see it, or do you think that the Bundesliga is on its way to the top, etc?

It's the same as any other league tbf, look all around europe and there are two, possibly three teams who dominate.
In Germany it is generally Bayern and one other, currently Dortmund. Yes we got Götze from BVB but they gave him a get out clause so they can hardly whine when someone uses it. Dortmund will be strong next year and I see the BL as a whole as a strong league.

Fair enough. I just saw the fact that you won by 25 points, and that Dortmund, not you, are now being stripped of their best players (esp. if Lewandowski etc are sold this summer) and to me it only looks like Dortmund are going to get worse, while you could still get better. I can see another 15+ point gap next season, even assuming Bayern don't have as convincing a season. But I am no expert on the BL. Sure, the other leagues in Europe also saw two/three-horse races and saw some big winning margins, but I don't see the same level of the 2nd-placed teams being stripped that I do with Germany.

 

[bayern blade]

Fair enough. I just saw the fact that you won by 25 points, and that Dortmund, not you, are now being stripped of their best players (esp. if Lewandowski etc are sold this summer) and to me it only looks like Dortmund are going to get worse, while you could still get better. I can see another 15+ point gap next season, even assuming Bayern don't have as convincing a season. But I am no expert on the BL. Sure, the other leagues in Europe also saw two/three-horse races and saw some big winning margins, but I don't see the same level of the 2nd-placed teams being stripped that I do with Germany.

Well they've only lost one player (Götze), remember they lost their player of the year (Kagawa) 12 months ago and went on to reach the CL final.
Lewandowski seems to be staying at Dortmund until his contract runs out in 12 months. Don't forget too that they have a huge amount now to spend on new players.

 

[richards30]

Fair enough. I just saw the fact that you won by 25 points, and that Dortmund, not you, are now being stripped of their best players (esp. if Lewandowski etc are sold this summer) and to me it only looks like Dortmund are going to get worse, while you could still get better. I can see another 15+ point gap next season, even assuming Bayern don't have as convincing a season. But I am no expert on the BL. Sure, the other leagues in Europe also saw two/three-horse races and saw some big winning margins, but I don't see the same level of the 2nd-placed teams being stripped that I do with Germany.

Well they've only lost one player (Götze), remember they lost their player of the year (Kagawa) 12 months ago and went on to reach the CL final.
Lewandowski seems to be staying at Dortmund until his contract runs out in 12 months. Don't forget too that they have a huge amount now to spend on new players.

I hope they sign some great players and smash the fuck out off you! Fucking hate bayern more than any other team and enjoy pep for 3 years as he uses you as a stepping stone to a much better club who just happen to play in blue and happen to be in England!

 

[Bembeltown]

Fair enough. I just saw the fact that you won by 25 points, and that Dortmund, not you, are now being stripped of their best players (esp. if Lewandowski etc are sold this summer) and to me it only looks like Dortmund are going to get worse, while you could still get better. I can see another 15+ point gap next season, even assuming Bayern don't have as convincing a season. But I am no expert on the BL. Sure, the other leagues in Europe also saw two/three-horse races and saw some big winning margins, but I don't see the same level of the 2nd-placed teams being stripped that I do with Germany.

Well they've only lost one player (Götze), remember they lost their player of the year (Kagawa) 12 months ago and went on to reach the CL final.
Lewandowski seems to be staying at Dortmund until his contract runs out in 12 months. Don't forget too that they have a huge amount now to spend on new players.

I hope they sign some great players and smash the fuck out off you! Fucking hate bayern more than any other team and enjoy pep for 3 years as he uses you as a stepping stone to a much better club who just happen to play in blue and happen to be in England!

You really think he would go to Chelsea after they kicked Mourinho?

Sorry couldnt resist...;)

 

[Falastur]

Fair enough. I just saw the fact that you won by 25 points, and that Dortmund, not you, are now being stripped of their best players (esp. if Lewandowski etc are sold this summer) and to me it only looks like Dortmund are going to get worse, while you could still get better. I can see another 15+ point gap next season, even assuming Bayern don't have as convincing a season. But I am no expert on the BL. Sure, the other leagues in Europe also saw two/three-horse races and saw some big winning margins, but I don't see the same level of the 2nd-placed teams being stripped that I do with Germany.

Well they've only lost one player (Götze), remember they lost their player of the year (Kagawa) 12 months ago and went on to reach the CL final.
Lewandowski seems to be staying at Dortmund until his contract runs out in 12 months. Don't forget too that they have a huge amount now to spend on new players.

Fair enough. I still think Lewandowski could be up in the air as to whether he leaves or not, but we shall see. I also thought that Dortmund had no money, so fair enough again.