Recently the duel Bayern vs. Dortmund was rated as the german el classico. Which is nonsense, if you look on the history. Every decade one or two clubs had challenged FC Bayern, but often not more than for 4 or 5 years. So Dortmund still has to prove...
Leads me to the question, what the big clubs in germany are. The following list of TOP TENS may give a hint, as some clubs turn up nearly in every of these categories.
THE TOP TENS OF GERMAN FOOTBALL
Average Attendances this season
1. Borussia Dortmund 80,567
2. Bayern München 71,000
3. FC Schalke 04 61,092
4. Hamburger SV 53,246
5. Bor. Mönchengladbach 48,532
6. VfB Stuttgart 48,117
7. Eintracht Frankfurt 46, 706
8. Fortuna Düsseldorf 44,170
9. Hannover 96 43, 688
10. 1. FC Nürnberg 42, 315
Best all time average attendances
1. Borussia Dortmund 80,521
2. FC Bayern München 69,000
3. FC Schalke 04 61,387
4. Hamburger SV 56,008
5. VfB Stuttgart 55,090
6. Hertha BSC 53,559
7. Borussia Mönchengladbach 51,847
8. 1. FC Köln 49,324
9. Eintracht Frankfurt 48,324
10. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 46,392
German Championships since 1903
1. Bayern München 22
2. 1. FC Nürnberg 9
3. Borussia Dortmund 8
4. Schalke 04 7
5. Hamburger SV 6
6. VfB Stuttgart 5
6. Borussia Mönchengladbach 5
8.1. FC Kaiserslautern 4
8. Werder Bremen 4
10. Spvgg Fürth 3
10. VfB Leipzig/Lok Leipzig 3
10. 1.FC Köln 3
Bundesliga Champions since 1963
1. Bayern München 21
2. Borussia Dortmund 5
2. Bor. Mönchengladbach 5
4. Werder Bremen 4
5. Hamburger SV 3
5. VfB Stuttgart 3
7. 1. FC Kaiserslautern 2
7. 1. FC Köln 2
9. Eintracht Braunschweig 1
9. 1860 München 1
9. 1. FC Nürnberg 1
9. VfL Wolfsburg 1
all time table of the Bundesliga (current standings)
1. Bayern München 3133 points
2. Werder Bremen 2551
3. Hamburger SV 2534
4. VFB Stuttgart 2453
5. Borussia Dortmund 2377
6. Borussia Mönchengladbach 2211
7. Schalke 04 2144
8. 1.FC Köln 2140
9. 1. FC Kaiserslauten 2094
10. Eintracht Frankfurt 2004
German European Cups winners
1. Bayern München 4 Champions/ 1 UEFA/ 1 Cup winners cup
2. Borussia Dortmund 1 champions/1 cup winners cup
2. Hamburger SV 1 champions/ 1 cup winners cup
4. Borussia Mönchengladbach 2 Uefa cups
5. Schalke 04 1 Uefa cup
5. Bayer Leverkusen 1 Uefa cup
5. Eintracht Frankfurt 1 Uefa cup
5. Werder Bremen 1 cup winners cup
5. 1. FC Magdeburg 1 cup winners cup
German cup winners
1. Bayern München 15
2. Werder Bremen 6
3. Schalke 04 5
4. 1.FC Köln 4
4. 1. FC Nürnberg 4
6. Eintracht Frankfurt 4
7. Hamburger SV 3
7. Borussia Dortmund 3
7. VfB Stuttgart 3
7. Borussia Mönchengladbach 3
Club members
1. Bayern München 187,865
2. Schalke 04 111,111
3. Hamburger SV 71,557
4. Borussia Dortmund 70,000
5. Borussia Mönchengladbach 55.830
6. 1. FC Köln 55,760
7. VFB Stuttgart 45,310
8. Werder Bremen 40,400
9. Hertha BSC 29,165
10. Bayer Leverkusen 25,556
Wonder how this top tens would look like in England?