Can we cut Edin a break?

[SWP's back]

ok im going to spell it out in 2 sentences


you said mancini was sacked


you said van persie was a man city player

how much more wrong can you be? seriously ? and that negates any viewpoint you can have in my eyes ...you saying mario is better than edin is like you saying mancini was sacked ,your views have been hugely wrong and i dont see them being right anytime soon ...

still love you though brother and like you as a guy

I never said he was sacked in the slightest. I started an ill advised thread about 2 mins after the Arsenal match when pissed saying he should walk. The only time I questioned Mancini during his time at the club.

I said re RVP that we had agreed personal terms with him back in December, which we had. Tevez then stayed and we didn't put in a serious bid due to not needing to.

What you are doing is building a strawman. Your argument is fallacious.

Tell me why you think we turned down a £40m bid for Mario in the summer and play him ahead of Edin if the club don't think he is better?

you listened to pms from a few 'respected' posters about mancini...then you admitted you was wrong...you also swore blind van persie was coming ..and gave one poster dogs abuse about it...they are 2 facts (not a strawman argument...actual facts ..with written evidence somewhere in the annals of this sight) ..i dont know why mancini turned down 40 mill (if it was offered) he must be a father figure to mario...me i would sell him and buy cavani or falcao would you?

if you say no you must be more drunk than me..i would sell mario and barry for 45 million and buy replacements ...witsel for barry and ..falcao / cavani for mario might have to stick extra 10 mill on it though

No I wouldn't as I think Balotelli will be worth more than that in the future.

And yes I did have pm's of some respected posters and I still believe them that there was boardroom unhappiness when it looked as though we threw our season away meekly. But I never said he was going to be sacked or that I had any inside knowledge of that.

And how many times to I have to explain what happened with RVP before you will understand it? Had Tevez not stayed, RVP would 100% have been a City player as we would have paid whatever Arsenal wanted seeing as we already had agreement in place with the player.

-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:02 pm --

If he turned down 40m he should be taken to psychiatrist.. I doubt bid was close to that, they got Ibra for 26.

All about age.<br /><br />-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:04 pm --<br /><br />

Cyprustavern's initial response was a reply to me asking you to name "lots" of better target men poachers than Edin but I can't see that you've made that list anywhere?

I completely understand having a preference between Balo and Edin, both are inarguably talented players, probably not outside the top 10/15 strikers in the world overall. But if I was going to say "lots" of other players are better than players in Balo's mould, then I'd have a pretty substantial and well-reasoned list to support that claim, otherwise "pmsl there are lots" would be sort of an empty response.

Lot's of better CF's than Dzeko:

Cavani
Falcao
Balotelli (plays best when leading the line a la cup semi and final)
Drogba (still)
Ibra
Rooney (when played there as 29 goals attests last season)
Benzema
Gomez
Klose
RVP

....




hang about edin is our 3rd choice these are 1st 2nd for their clubs...your argument is silly swp

No it isn't. I've already said (about page 30 ish) Edin is the best 4th striker in the world. The poster I replied to said there were only 1 or 2 better CF's than Edin in world football. I said there were lots. He said name 10. I did.

Do try and keep up.

 

[MSP]

Age or not, he is not close worth to that.. Mancini can like him as much as he want but I'm sure there is someone in the club who would tell him - Bobby boy, gimme a break, it's 40 bloody millions :)

 

[SWP's back]

Age or not, he is not close worth to that.. Mancini can like him as much as he want but I'm sure there is someone in the club who would tell him - Bobby boy, gimme a break :)

A player is worth as much as anyone is willing to pay for him.

<a class="postlink" href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/man-city-spurns-40-mln-pound-psg-bid-082444569.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://in.news.yahoo.com/man-city-spurn ... 44569.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2186921/Manchester-City-reject-40m-Mario-Balotelli-bid-Roberto-Mancini-vowed-quit.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -quit.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/paper-chase-aug-11-manchester-city-rejects-psg-offer-for-mario-balotelli-081112" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/prem ... lli-081112</a>

 

[NQCitizen]

Where have I been proven wrong?

And what is best for the team is having the best players, but apparently you think you know better than our manager, which is interesting.

As for being a fan of Balotelli, you are making that up. I rate Tevez and Aguero ahead of Balotelli but put Balotelli ahead of Edin. It's not rocket science so you should be able to keep up.

Cyprustavern's initial response was a reply to me asking you to name "lots" of better target men poachers than Edin but I can't see that you've made that list anywhere?

I completely understand having a preference between Balo and Edin, both are inarguably talented players, probably not outside the top 10/15 strikers in the world overall. But if I was going to say "lots" of other players are better than players in Balo's mould, then I'd have a pretty substantial and well-reasoned list to support that claim, otherwise "pmsl there are lots" would be sort of an empty response.

Lot's of better CF's than Dzeko:

Cavani
Falcao
Balotelli (plays best when leading the line a la cup semi and final)
Drogba (still)
Ibra
Rooney (when played there as 29 goals attests last season)
Benzema
Gomez
Klose
RVP

And when you've deleted the ones that probably wouldn't count as "poaching target men" (hold up play and fox-in-the-box tap-ins combined) as I said then you've added Drogba and Gomez truly, seeing as I'd already said Cavani and Falcao? Would you consider Rooney a target man? Or Benzema, or Ibra a poacher? They're not players scoring scruffy 3 yarders like a true poacher like Raul are they? That would discount them as poachers in my mind.

Personally I'd have Edin over Drogba or Gomez, most of the time Balo is hanging around nowhere near the goal line, waiting to score wondergoals.

Still even taking that whole list into account it shows the company Edin is in, and he is younger than most of them.

It was interesting to see your list though, sometimes I just don't get who some people on this board thinks is miles better than Dzeko. With our four strikers we are blessed, beyond any other club.

 

[Marvin]

Cyprustavern's initial response was a reply to me asking you to name "lots" of better target men poachers than Edin but I can't see that you've made that list anywhere?

I completely understand having a preference between Balo and Edin, both are inarguably talented players, probably not outside the top 10/15 strikers in the world overall. But if I was going to say "lots" of other players are better than players in Balo's mould, then I'd have a pretty substantial and well-reasoned list to support that claim, otherwise "pmsl there are lots" would be sort of an empty response.

Lot's of better CF's than Dzeko:

Cavani
Falcao
Balotelli (plays best when leading the line a la cup semi and final)
Drogba (still)
Ibra
Rooney (when played there as 29 goals attests last season)
Benzema
Gomez
Klose
RVP

....




hang about edin is our 3rd choice these are 1st 2nd for their clubs...your argument is silly swp

If Dezeko was first choice at City he would improve. Look at RVP at Arsenal. He had to play second fiddle to Henry.

On top of that players have different strengths and if Dzeko was our No. 1 choice we'd change our team to play to his strengths. In this team, Tevez and Aguero are better choices, but in another team, Dzeko could be better. If I had Bale in my team, I'd choose Dzeko. If I had Silva, I'd choose Aguero

 

[MSP]

Age or not, he is not close worth to that.. Mancini can like him as much as he want but I'm sure there is someone in the club who would tell him - Bobby boy, gimme a break :)

A player is worth as much as anyone is willing to pay for him.

<a class="postlink" href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/man-city-spurns-40-mln-pound-psg-bid-082444569.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://in.news.yahoo.com/man-city-spurn ... 44569.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2186921/Manchester-City-reject-40m-Mario-Balotelli-bid-Roberto-Mancini-vowed-quit.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -quit.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/paper-chase-aug-11-manchester-city-rejects-psg-offer-for-mario-balotelli-081112" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/prem ... lli-081112</a>

If I post some links will that prove City made a bid or shown interest for half players in the World.

 

[Anonymous]

I never said he was sacked in the slightest. I started an ill advised thread about 2 mins after the Arsenal match when pissed saying he should walk. The only time I questioned Mancini during his time at the club.

I said re RVP that we had agreed personal terms with him back in December, which we had. Tevez then stayed and we didn't put in a serious bid due to not needing to.

What you are doing is building a strawman. Your argument is fallacious.

Tell me why you think we turned down a £40m bid for Mario in the summer and play him ahead of Edin if the club don't think he is better?

you listened to pms from a few 'respected' posters about mancini...then you admitted you was wrong...you also swore blind van persie was coming ..and gave one poster dogs abuse about it...they are 2 facts (not a strawman argument...actual facts ..with written evidence somewhere in the annals of this sight) ..i dont know why mancini turned down 40 mill (if it was offered) he must be a father figure to mario...me i would sell him and buy cavani or falcao would you?

if you say no you must be more drunk than me..i would sell mario and barry for 45 million and buy replacements ...witsel for barry and ..falcao / cavani for mario might have to stick extra 10 mill on it though

No I wouldn't as I think Balotelli will be worth more than that in the future.

And yes I did have pm's of some respected posters and I still believe them that there was boardroom unhappiness when it looked as though we threw our season away meekly. But I never said he was going to be sacked or that I had any inside knowledge of that.

And how many times to I have to explain what happened with RVP before you will understand it? Had Tevez not stayed, RVP would 100% have been a City player as we would have paid whatever Arsenal wanted seeing as we already had agreement in place with the player.

-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:02 pm --

If he turned down 40m he should be taken to psychiatrist.. I doubt bid was close to that, they got Ibra for 26.

All about age.

-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:04 pm --

Lot's of better CF's than Dzeko:

Cavani
Falcao
Balotelli (plays best when leading the line a la cup semi and final)
Drogba (still)
Ibra
Rooney (when played there as 29 goals attests last season)
Benzema
Gomez
Klose
RVP

....




hang about edin is our 3rd choice these are 1st 2nd for their clubs...your argument is silly swp

No it isn't. I've already said (about page 30 ish) Edin is the best 4th striker in the world. The poster I replied to said there were only 1 or 2 better CF's than Edin in world football. I said there were lots. He said name 10. I did.

Do try and keep up.

I know a couple of people who work for the company employed by the Qatari's to handle PR for Paris. There was no bid for Mario this summer contrary to what was said. They enquired, City rebuffed, end of enquiry. Never got close to talking figures.

Also, from City's perspective, had a 40 million pound offer come in for Mario, we'd have sold him.

 

[SWP's back]

Cyprustavern's initial response was a reply to me asking you to name "lots" of better target men poachers than Edin but I can't see that you've made that list anywhere?

I completely understand having a preference between Balo and Edin, both are inarguably talented players, probably not outside the top 10/15 strikers in the world overall. But if I was going to say "lots" of other players are better than players in Balo's mould, then I'd have a pretty substantial and well-reasoned list to support that claim, otherwise "pmsl there are lots" would be sort of an empty response.

Lot's of better CF's than Dzeko:

Cavani
Falcao
Balotelli (plays best when leading the line a la cup semi and final)
Drogba (still)
Ibra
Rooney (when played there as 29 goals attests last season)
Benzema
Gomez
Klose
RVP

And when you've deleted the ones that probably wouldn't count as "poaching target men" (hold up play and fox-in-the-box tap-ins combined) as I said then you've added Drogba and Gomez truly, seeing as I'd already said Cavani and Falcao? Would you consider Rooney a target man? Or Benzema, or Ibra a poacher? They're not players scoring scruffy 3 yarders like a true poacher like Raul are they? That would discount them as poachers in my mind.

Personally I'd have Edin over Drogba or Gomez, most of the time Balo is hanging around nowhere near the goal line, waiting to score wondergoals.

Still even taking that whole list into account it shows the company Edin is in, and he is younger than most of them.

It was interesting to see your list though, sometimes I just don't get who some people on this board thinks is miles better than Dzeko. With our four strikers we are blessed, beyond any other club.

I don't think Edin is a bad player, far from it. As stated, he is the best 4th striker in world football, club or international. And I don't think it is doing him a disservice to say he is not as good as Kun, Tevez or Mario who I would say are all in or around the top 10 strikers/forwards/CF's in the world.

Mario plays the lone striker role very well, he often plays on the left of a 3 for City though to accomodate others. So of course he isn't on the line getting tap ins when playing that role.

-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:11 pm --

Age or not, he is not close worth to that.. Mancini can like him as much as he want but I'm sure there is someone in the club who would tell him - Bobby boy, gimme a break :)

A player is worth as much as anyone is willing to pay for him.

<a class="postlink" href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/man-city-spurns-40-mln-pound-psg-bid-082444569.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://in.news.yahoo.com/man-city-spurn ... 44569.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2186921/Manchester-City-reject-40m-Mario-Balotelli-bid-Roberto-Mancini-vowed-quit.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... -quit.html</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premierleague/story/paper-chase-aug-11-manchester-city-rejects-psg-offer-for-mario-balotelli-081112" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/prem ... lli-081112</a>

If I post some links will that prove City made a bid or shown interest for half players in the World.

'This summer we had a lot of requests for him,' said Mancini.

'Mario did a fantastic European Championship. He's 21, it is clear that he can improve.'

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2186921/Manchester-City-reject-40m-Mario-Balotelli-bid-Roberto-Mancini-vowed-quit.html#ixzz25aoGiKlK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z25aoGiKlK</a>

<br /><br />-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:12 pm --<br /><br />

Also, from City's perspective, had a 40 million pound offer come in for Mario, we'd have sold him.

You don't know that at all.

 

[MSP]

you listened to pms from a few 'respected' posters about mancini...then you admitted you was wrong...you also swore blind van persie was coming ..and gave one poster dogs abuse about it...they are 2 facts (not a strawman argument...actual facts ..with written evidence somewhere in the annals of this sight) ..i dont know why mancini turned down 40 mill (if it was offered) he must be a father figure to mario...me i would sell him and buy cavani or falcao would you?

if you say no you must be more drunk than me..i would sell mario and barry for 45 million and buy replacements ...witsel for barry and ..falcao / cavani for mario might have to stick extra 10 mill on it though

No I wouldn't as I think Balotelli will be worth more than that in the future.

And yes I did have pm's of some respected posters and I still believe them that there was boardroom unhappiness when it looked as though we threw our season away meekly. But I never said he was going to be sacked or that I had any inside knowledge of that.

And how many times to I have to explain what happened with RVP before you will understand it? Had Tevez not stayed, RVP would 100% have been a City player as we would have paid whatever Arsenal wanted seeing as we already had agreement in place with the player.

-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:02 pm --

If he turned down 40m he should be taken to psychiatrist.. I doubt bid was close to that, they got Ibra for 26.

All about age.

-- Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:04 pm --

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hang about edin is our 3rd choice these are 1st 2nd for their clubs...your argument is silly swp

No it isn't. I've already said (about page 30 ish) Edin is the best 4th striker in the world. The poster I replied to said there were only 1 or 2 better CF's than Edin in world football. I said there were lots. He said name 10. I did.

Do try and keep up.

I know a couple of people who work for the company employed by the Qatari's to handle PR for Paris. There was no bid for Mario this summer contrary to what was said. They enquired, City rebuffed, end of enquiry. Never got close to talking figures.

Also, from City's perspective, had a 40 million pound offer come in for Mario, we'd have sold him.

For 40m we would sell anyone bar Aguero, Silva, Kompany and Yaya. Anyone in their right mind would.

 

[Anonymous]

For 40m we would sell anyone bar Aguero, Silva, Kompany and Yaya. Anyone in their right mind would.

Yep.