Captain Hook (Abu Hamza) Off To USA

johnny on the spot said:
BBC are reporting that the Queen personally asked the government why Abu Hamza couldn't be shifted quicker.

I find it appaling that an unelected head of state can influence national debate.

I care little for Abu Hamza and his view of the world.

But Parliament should have primacy and i find it disturbing that those outside have undue influence. Is this the Queen going back to the days of Charles II

The monarchy should stay out of politics, if they get involved they should rightly lose any status they have.
 
Rascal said:
johnny on the spot said:
BBC are reporting that the Queen personally asked the government why Abu Hamza couldn't be shifted quicker.

I find it appaling that an unelected head of state can influence national debate.

I care little for Abu Hamza and his view of the world.

But Parliament should have primacy and i find it disturbing that those outside have undue influence. Is this the Queen going back to the days of Charles II

The monarchy should stay out of politics, if they get involved they should rightly lose any status they have.

It's not like you to get things so wrong Rascal ;-) she asked a question of the then home secretary, a question that many people not just her would have liked an answer to, because it's a mystery as to why he was allowed to stop here for so long and get away with what he did, I don't see it as her trying to influence anything, and it's pretty obvious that she did not, because he is still here! (not for much longer I hope)
 
Ducado said:
Rascal said:
johnny on the spot said:
BBC are reporting that the Queen personally asked the government why Abu Hamza couldn't be shifted quicker.

I find it appaling that an unelected head of state can influence national debate.

I care little for Abu Hamza and his view of the world.

But Parliament should have primacy and i find it disturbing that those outside have undue influence. Is this the Queen going back to the days of Charles II

The monarchy should stay out of politics, if they get involved they should rightly lose any status they have.

It's not like you to get things so wrong Rascal ;-) she asked a question of the then home secretary, a question that many people not just her would have liked an answer to, because it's a mystery as to why he was allowed to stop here for so long and get away with what he did, I don't see it as her trying to influence anything, and it's pretty obvious that she did not, because he is still here! (not for much longer I hope)


I have no problem with the question mate at all.

The Queen should not have asked it. This constituionally is wrong, it demeans the primacy of the HoC and as a democrat who has a regard for our monarchy its just wrong, plain wrong.

It also opens up the pssibilty of Monarchial influence in other spheres of our lives. Prince Charles has made many political statements and it is said he has the right to scrutinise legislation before it is passed in his role as Crown Prince.

Like i said, i dont mind the monarchy being head of state but they must remain a benign force, the wieght of history is against them as we are a democratic country run by the people for the people.<br /><br />-- Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:06 pm --<br /><br />
dazdon said:
Queenie is allowed an opinion.

And she does have a vested interest doesn't she?

No she does not have any rights at all to an opinion

She can advise PMs of her concerns and that is all

The Queen can not vote
 
Although the Queen is politically neutral, she has the right to be consulted and to "advise and warn" ministers. Otherwise her residual powers - the "royal prerogative" - are mostly exercised through the government of the day.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/may/16/qanda.jubilee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/ma ... da.jubilee</a>


You might not agree with it which I can accept but she certainly has certain powers and privileges.
 
dazdon said:
That doesn't mean she can't have an opinion Rascal.

Yes it does if you look at our constitiution.

The Queen is and should be above politics at all times. The power of the monarchy was annuled back in the days of Cromwell and it has remained neutered.

The Queen of course has the ultimate power to dissolve Parliament, but she would never exercise that power as it would signal the end of her dynasty.

I find it incredulous that the Queen has meddled in politics, she may have an opinion yes, but she should never have expressed it.
 

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