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Catalonian referendum
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Ancient Citizen
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I was in South Africa years ago during apartheid, one of the more noticeable things was apart from the obvious black v white friction was the total disdain shown to other black tribes by the Zulus. Many liberal Westerners still consider black Africans to be one homogeneous group, they most certainly are not.Cornwall for a few has never seen itself as part of the UK and an even smaller amount of Yorkshiremen think they are special ;-)
I lived and worked in South Africa for nearly 5 years mate and trust me, the sheer hatred between historic tribal communities and the violence it brings on a daily basis is unbelievable.
One people, rainbow nation under the rainbow flag my arse but it fits a narrative so its peddled that way.
Cornwall, or 'Kernow' as the locals call it has a very ineffectual separatist organisation, mockingly described as the 'OO.R.A.'
George Galloway makes some interesting points on The Catalan issue. Yes I know many people hate him, champagne socialist blah blah blah But interesting points never the less
Nothing to argue with here. I am alright Jack attitude of the Catalans feeds off reactionary Spanish politicians.
peoffrey
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Perhaps the sheer size of Spain has created all this pathetic division. In Britain, lots of industry was London based which is why I packed up and headed down there for ten years. I made some money and then came back. Things in general were fine because the world and his wife lived there. I'm happier in Manchester.
I'm Welsh born and travel away with the national football team. There's a bit of clique with some of the north Wales types who speak Welsh to each other but everything else like Cardiff / Swansea gets put to one side. It's the red wall.
RE: Malaga. Contemplating the following hat for my January jollies. Last thing I want is some wanker kicking off with me: https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/2016-17-spain-adidas-reversible-bucket-hat-bnib-adults.html
I'm Welsh born and travel away with the national football team. There's a bit of clique with some of the north Wales types who speak Welsh to each other but everything else like Cardiff / Swansea gets put to one side. It's the red wall.
RE: Malaga. Contemplating the following hat for my January jollies. Last thing I want is some wanker kicking off with me: https://www.classicfootballshirts.co.uk/2016-17-spain-adidas-reversible-bucket-hat-bnib-adults.html
brass neck
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Yes.... And his broader points in regards to kosov (instantly recognized by the west)Nothing to argue with here. I am alright Jack attitude of the Catalans feeds off reactionary Spanish politicians.
Crimea (instantly rejected by the west)
Catalonia (instantly rejected by the west)
.and
Scotland, Wales nationalist parties rejecting the union but being happy to sign up to EU control.
Then the whole question of Northern Ireland
He creates interesting food for thought and raises a number of Hypocrisy and double standards.
I’m moving there after xmas. Looking forward to the insular mentality, the Irish version of scousers!Long live the Republic of Cork.
Think your right there, some Spanish politicians are still harking back to the Franco era, they are sending right wing groups mainly to Barcelona to agitate on the streets, i saw a guy on TV the other day shouting in the street and you could clearly see the Yolk and Arrows Francoist tattoo on his armMore convoluted.
When Spain became a democracy Catalunia, the Basque country and Galicia all asked to have more autonomy from the central goverment than the other 14 autonomous regions such as Aragon, Murcia et al, on the grounds that they were in essence not Spanish or at least had some other national identity. They have their own languages, culture. I would say that Galicia is slightly more Spanish. In fact Franco as well as the current PM are Gallegos.
Andalucia actually had a referendum in the 80s to get the same autonomy as Catalunia, Pais Vasco, Galicia on the grounds that it is the largest and most populous region of Spain.
Quite a few of the "Spanish" regions resent what they see as privileges given to the Catalans, especially as it is the richest area of Spain. The Partido Popular, think Conservative party in the UK, rolled back some of these privileges when they came to power. This caused an upsurge in popularity for the pro Independence Catalan parties who felt sufficiently emboldened last month to hold a referendum albeit an illegal one.
In terms of numbers I think there is a small majority for independence but this may have grown due to the Spanish governments actions recently.
In the background there are also the ghosts of the civil war and the subsequent dictatorship. Catalonia played a central role in the Republican movement and the fact that the current Spanish government contains quite a few politicians who would certainly have been pro Franco had they been born in earlier times just adds fuel to this stand off.
We're bad but not that bad. :-)I’m moving there after xmas. Looking forward to the insular mentality, the Irish version of scousers!
Ha! I hope not, you can be a bit fond of yourselves down there though! It's kinsale anyway, not the city,We're bad but not that bad. :-)
I'm looking forward to it, lovely part of the world.
Anyway, back to the Catalans, this has the feeling of a right wing coup to me in a way but Madrid have played
right into their hand with their reaction. Is this the domino effect after Brexit? What say Flanders, the Corsicans and the Basques?
We live in uncertain times, I really don't know what the European framework will look like in ten years.