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[Davs 19]

Yes,i know.....as I recognised your attempt at being a smart ass in your first post.

As ever,we disagree

It wasn't just an attempt, it was an unqualified success.

Seriously though, I know the game we both love divides opinion and, yes, we've had the occasional spat, but do you honestly think that Lovren is at the Vinny, Benatia, Hummels, Garay type of level ?
My own view is we'd be as well persevering with Nasty and taking a long hard look at Rekik.

Honest question.

 

[Llandegren]

Yes,i know.....as I recognised your attempt at being a smart ass in your first post.

As ever,we disagree

It wasn't just an attempt, it was an unqualified success.

Seriously though, I know the game we both love divides opinion and, yes, we've had the occasional spat, but do you honestly think that Lovren is at the Vinny, Benatia, Hummels, Garay type of level ?
My own view is we'd be as well persevering with Nasty and taking a long hard look at Rekik.

Honest question.

We need a top partner to kompany for every competition and we do need some1 experiance, not à youngster if we want to progress in cl aswell as the domestic ones. So forget about them letting players like rekik being used instead of buying a defender with experiance, not gonna happen

 

[FantasyIreland]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

 

[Llandegren]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

And thats why we are not going further in cl

 

[Davs 19]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

Fair enough.

 

[Llandegren]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

Fair enough.

I prefer rekik to nasty and think we should include him, if needed, in à Roma-deal.

 

[pudge]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

Fair enough.

I prefer rekik to nasty and think we should include him, if needed, in à Roma-deal.

You'd like us to get rid of Nastasic?

 

[Davs 19]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

Fair enough.

I prefer rekik to nasty and think we should include him, if needed, in à Roma-deal.

How many times have you seen them both play ?

 

[FantasyIreland]

No,i don't think he's on the level of the first group you mention although I do think he is a level up from Nasty and considerably,right now.... better than Rekik.
He'd certainly not look out of place in our team,he'd be good enough,and I think Vinny would probably improve him.

And thats why we are not going further in cl

Don't get me wrong i'd love top tier but I certainly think he'd be good enough to progress us.He's had to do more than his fair share of work to cover his donkey mate in the Saints defence and still managed to look accomplished.He's powerful and commanding and can also play a bit,prem proven and still young enough to improve plenty......i could see him being a great partner to Vinny.

And don't forget,Fernando will also provide that extra insurance;-)

 

[Llandegren]

Fair enough.

I prefer rekik to nasty and think we should include him, if needed, in à Roma-deal.

How many times have you seen them both play ?

Rekik about 15-20 times and nasty since he signed. And i am not tsking into consideration that nasty has experiance i am talking more about how their style of play fits with the style of the team.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

Fair enough.

I prefer rekik to nasty and think we should include him, if needed, in à Roma-deal.

You'd like us to get rid of Nastasic?

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

 

[Llandegren]

I prefer rekik to nasty and think we should include him, if needed, in à Roma-deal.

You'd like us to get rid of Nastasic?

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

So nasty was our best defender two seasons ago? Are you supporting another team? As i Said these are My personal thoughts and i like rekiks style more not saying he is better

 

[pudge]

You'd like us to get rid of Nastasic?

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

So nasty was our best defender two seasons ago? Are you supporting another team? As i Said these are My personal thoughts and i like rekiks style more not saying he is better

Obvious transfer junkie is obvious

 

[Tron Coltrane]

You'd like us to get rid of Nastasic?

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

So nasty was our best defender two seasons ago? Are you supporting another team? As i Said these are My personal thoughts and i like rekiks style more not saying he is better

Apologies: best central defender. Credit to Pablo.

And to answer your question, no... I believe we're both supporting the same team. We are talking about hockey, right?

 

[Llandegren]

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

So nasty was our best defender two seasons ago? Are you supporting another team? As i Said these are My personal thoughts and i like rekiks style more not saying he is better

Apologies: best central defender. Credit to Pablo.

And to answer your question, no... I believe we're both supporting the same team. We are talking about hockey, right?

;) i am watching germany-armenia and another target we should look at is howedes, has been impressive

 

[Stuuuuuu]

Obvious transfer junkie is obvious

;) i am watching germany-armenia and another target we should look at is howedes, has been impressive

 

[bluechampion7891]

You'd like us to get rid of Nastasic?

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

So nasty was our best defender two seasons ago? Are you supporting another team? As i Said these are My personal thoughts and i like rekiks style more not saying he is better

Just my 2 cents: players can be made to look great or ordinary depending on the system being played. E.g, no one can argue that Terry or Cahill aren't great defenders. But remember Chelsea under AVB's high line: they weren't effective. I think Nastasic is the same (although with time he might develop his game further): when we played deep, he used his reading of the game to overcome his lack of pace and (apparent) strength. He struggles with the high line. Injuries did not help either. Not saying you need pace always to play in high line (eg. Demicheles, but his reading is better than Kompany's IMO, he owned Barca till his tackle on Messi), but it helps. A lot.

IMO our system needs quick CBs who are also good readers of the game and good passers. Pacy BPDs. That's why I am wary of Mangala: physically imposing, but does he have the brains?

 

[Tron Coltrane]

League-tested and our best defender two seasons ago at the tender age of 19, why would we want to keep him?

So nasty was our best defender two seasons ago? Are you supporting another team? As i Said these are My personal thoughts and i like rekiks style more not saying he is better

Just my 2 cents: players can be made to look great or ordinary depending on the system being played. E.g, no one can argue that Terry or Cahill aren't great defenders. But remember Chelsea under AVB's high line: they weren't effective. I think Nastasic is the same (although with time he might develop his game further): when we played deep, he used his reading of the game to overcome his lack of pace and (apparent) strength. He struggles with the high line. Injuries did not help either. Not saying you need pace always to play in high line (eg. Demicheles, but his reading is better than Kompany's IMO, he owned Barca till his tackle on Messi), but it helps. A lot.

IMO our system needs quick CBs who are also good readers of the game and good passers. Pacy BPDs. That's why I am wary of Mangala: physically imposing, but does he have the brains?

I'll never understand this "Nastasic can't operate with our high line" concept. I feel like one person said it, and they said it with authority, and now a bunch of people say it because that's the common thread. Like the idea that Micah Richards is a competent CB.

The high line itself was at fault to start the season. Pelle pulled it back as the season went on. Nasty had problems in the early games in the same sense that everyone had problems in the early games. After that form and fitness kept him sidelined. We've never seen him play in our current defense, except in Al-Ain, which is a neglible friendly. But he was a fantastic player two seasons ago, and that was at the age of 19. That's so rare for a central defender, the idea that people are ready to write him off seems insane to me.

Also he's not the fastest player in history, but he's not exactly strolling around the pitch like a one-legged monkey smoking a pipe.

 

[El Mago]

Caulker

 

[LoveCity]

Caulker

If we just wanted a traditional English defender we'd keep Lescott, they will want someone who is good with the ball at his feet. Caulker's pass completion is <75%, 6% lower than our worst passing defender (Kolarov).