Cesc Fabregas signs for Chelsea (page 190)

[flb]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).

Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.

Everyone's productivity is good at Barca, because even when they have an average season they score 100 goals. Ibra had good stats for Barca too, but was far from a glowing success. Indeed, if Fabregas had been so good, why are Barcelona so desperate to sell a player in his prime years after going to such lengths to sign him back? Especially with Xavi pretty much finished, too. He's had his moments in the last 3 years for sure, but by and large has been a disappointment. Even under Pep.

He is what I consider to be a class stats padder, or has been recently. He'll help bury relegation fodder then do absolutely squat in El Clasico or against Atletico. If you look at him on paper, he looks amazing. If you watch him every week all season, he flatters to deceive. I watch every Barca/Real game, it's been a habit of mine in the last few years, and Fabregas has been really, really average. He was subbed off in 7 of Barcelona's 8 biggest games this season after doing nothing. There was all the talk of his "Barcelona DNA", but he has just as much "Arsenal DNA" with a weak big match mentality. People criticise Nasri for this, but at least Nasri stepped up in a few big games. Fabregas didn't in even one this season, he was a passenger (another reason I struggle to see Chelsea signing him, Mourinho wants everyone alive for 90 minutes).

On no level has can I see how he has been better than Yaya Toure recently. Last season, Yaya Toure was the perfext example of a great Premier League footballer. Not only that, Yaya has years of chemistry and experience in this City team now and functions as the heartbeat. Everything goes through him, he's the best passer of the ball in the Premier League, and to replace him without planning would sort of upset the balance and fluency this team has built.

The grass isn't always greener...

I'd have Koke over Fabregas all day long. A stunning player not living on reputation and strongly rumoured to be the midfielder Barca most want this summer. To me, this news we don't want Fabregas, if true, is like music to my ears. It'd be something of a Torres signing, IMO, buying more on reputation than performance, when there are young, hungry players out there (like Koke or Pogba) who would be more exciting signings.

Got to say mate that's pretty much nail on the head

 

[manimanc]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Lock the thread as sky sports news have just announced that we're not interested in cesc.
Could anybody tell me...
a) how sky sports news get to run a headline like that...
And
b) do city give sky a statement to read out regarding the issue?

 

[Plain Speaking]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).

Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.

Everyone's productivity is good at Barca, because even when they have an average season they score 100 goals. Ibra had good stats for Barca too, but was far from a glowing success. Indeed, if Fabregas had been so good, why are Barcelona so desperate to sell a player in his prime years after going to such lengths to sign him back? Especially with Xavi pretty much finished, too. He's had his moments in the last 3 years for sure, but by and large has been a disappointment. Even under Pep.

He is what I consider to be a class stats padder, or has been recently. He'll help bury relegation fodder then do absolutely squat in El Clasico or against Atletico. If you look at him on paper, he looks amazing. If you watch him every week all season, he flatters to deceive. I watch every Barca/Real game, it's been a habit of mine in the last few years, and Fabregas has been really, really average. He was subbed off in 7 of Barcelona's 8 biggest games this season after doing nothing. There was all the talk of his "Barcelona DNA", but he has just as much "Arsenal DNA" with a weak big match mentality. People criticise Nasri for this, but at least Nasri stepped up in a few big games. Fabregas didn't in even one this season, he was a passenger (another reason I struggle to see Chelsea signing him, Mourinho wants everyone alive for 90 minutes).

On no level has can I see how he has been better than Yaya Toure recently. Last season, Yaya Toure was the perfect example of a great Premier League footballer. Not only that, Yaya has years of chemistry and experience in this City team now and functions as the heartbeat. Everything goes through him, he's the best passer of the ball in the Premier League, and to replace him without planning would sort of upset the balance and fluency this team has built.

The grass isn't always greener...

I'd have Koke over Fabregas all day long. A stunning player not living on reputation and strongly rumoured to be the midfielder Barca most want this summer. To me, this news we don't want Fabregas, if true, is like music to my ears. It'd be something of a Torres signing, IMO, buying more on reputation than performance, when there are young, hungry players out there (like Koke or Pogba) who would be more exciting signings.

Excellent post, totally agree.

 

[BobKowalski]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.

Everyone's productivity is good at Barca, because even when they have an average season they score 100 goals. Ibra had good stats for Barca too, but was far from a glowing success. Indeed, if Fabregas had been so good, why are Barcelona so desperate to sell a player in his prime years after going to such lengths to sign him back? Especially with Xavi pretty much finished, too. He's had his moments in the last 3 years for sure, but by and large has been a disappointment. Even under Pep.

He is what I consider to be a class stats padder, or has been recently. He'll help bury relegation fodder then do absolutely squat in El Clasico or against Atletico. If you look at him on paper, he looks amazing. If you watch him every week all season, he flatters to deceive. I watch every Barca/Real game, it's been a habit of mine in the last few years, and Fabregas has been really, really average. He was subbed off in 7 of Barcelona's 8 biggest games this season after doing nothing. There was all the talk of his "Barcelona DNA", but he has just as much "Arsenal DNA" with a weak big match mentality. People criticise Nasri for this, but at least Nasri stepped up in a few big games. Fabregas didn't in even one this season, he was a passenger (another reason I struggle to see Chelsea signing him, Mourinho wants everyone alive for 90 minutes).

On no level has can I see how he has been better than Yaya Toure recently. Last season, Yaya Toure was the perfect example of a great Premier League footballer. Not only that, Yaya has years of chemistry and experience in this City team now and functions as the heartbeat. Everything goes through him, he's the best passer of the ball in the Premier League, and to replace him without planning would sort of upset the balance and fluency this team has built.

The grass isn't always greener...

I'd have Koke over Fabregas all day long. A stunning player not living on reputation and strongly rumoured to be the midfielder Barca most want this summer. To me, this news we don't want Fabregas, if true, is like music to my ears. It'd be something of a Torres signing, IMO, buying more on reputation than performance, when there are young, hungry players out there (like Koke or Pogba) who would be more exciting signings.

Excellent post, totally agree.

Yep. Spot on.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.

Everyone's productivity is good at Barca, because even when they have an average season they score 100 goals. Ibra had good stats for Barca too, but was far from a glowing success. Indeed, if Fabregas had been so good, why are Barcelona so desperate to sell a player in his prime years after going to such lengths to sign him back? Especially with Xavi pretty much finished, too. He's had his moments in the last 3 years for sure, but by and large has been a disappointment. Even under Pep.

He is what I consider to be a class stats padder, or has been recently. He'll help bury relegation fodder then do absolutely squat in El Clasico or against Atletico. If you look at him on paper, he looks amazing. If you watch him every week all season, he flatters to deceive. I watch every Barca/Real game, it's been a habit of mine in the last few years, and Fabregas has been really, really average. He was subbed off in 7 of Barcelona's 8 biggest games this season after doing nothing. There was all the talk of his "Barcelona DNA", but he has just as much "Arsenal DNA" with a weak big match mentality. People criticise Nasri for this, but at least Nasri stepped up in a few big games. Fabregas didn't in even one this season, he was a passenger (another reason I struggle to see Chelsea signing him, Mourinho wants everyone alive for 90 minutes).

On no level has can I see how he has been better than Yaya Toure recently. Last season, Yaya Toure was the perfect example of a great Premier League footballer. Not only that, Yaya has years of chemistry and experience in this City team now and functions as the heartbeat. Everything goes through him, he's the best passer of the ball in the Premier League, and to replace him without planning would sort of upset the balance and fluency this team has built.

The grass isn't always greener...

I'd have Koke over Fabregas all day long. A stunning player not living on reputation and strongly rumoured to be the midfielder Barca most want this summer. To me, this news we don't want Fabregas, if true, is like music to my ears. It'd be something of a Torres signing, IMO, buying more on reputation than performance, when there are young, hungry players out there (like Koke or Pogba) who would be more exciting signings.

Excellent post, totally agree.

It's against the relegation cannon fodder that we struggle the most.

Sunderland ok they didn't go down but they should have 1 point out of 6
Aston Villa 3 out of 6

Then the three that went down, Fulham Cardiff and Norwich out of a total of 18 points we managed 13, thats another 5 points dropped!!

So out of a possible 30 points against the poorest sides in the League we managed 17.

 

[unsworthblue]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

But in terms of consistency, id rather have Fabregas, him and Fernandinho in front of Fernando would be frightening.

I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).

Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.

Fabregas is a better player than Yaya Toure? I'd say Fabregas is a very talented player indeed but nowhere near as good as Toure

 

[LoveCity]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Now Liverpool have also ruled themselves out according to one journalist. Maybe Spurs can get him. Apparently AVB asked Zenit to sign him. :-)

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I watched Fabregas every week for Barca and I'd describe him as the opposite of consistent. He was mediocre for most of the second half of the season and went missing in all of the big games. He doesn't come anywhere close to Yaya at the moment. People seem more interested in a quota than quality (same with the goalkeeper situation).

Sorry LC ... I like your posts and agree with 90% of them but you have a huge blind spot when it comes to Fabregas. The guy is absolutely undoubtedly world class. Yes he has had a dip in form in the 2nd half of the season for Barca but that was in a team which overall was pretty bereft of confidence or ideas.

Frankly, we might all love Yaya. But prior to the season just gone his productivity was NOWHERE near what Fabregas has consistently done both at Barca and at Arsenal.

Fabregas is a better player than Toure, and he's younger. The fact Toure's had the season he just had does not mean he will repeat it ever again whereas Fabregas has done it consistently over nearly a decade.

Fabregas is a better player than Yaya Toure? I'd say Fabregas is a very talented player indeed but nowhere near as good as Toure

But when Yaya swans off to the ACON Cup in January for 6 weeks Fabregas would be a fantastic replacement. Only my opinion of course!!

 

[mancity5]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Hope he goes elsewhere,,, very far from being the world class talent some say he is.....

 

[Andouble]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

one of the few players in the world who is good enough AND home grown. Since Lescott, Barry, Milner, Richards all gone, big 'yes' for me.