Cesc Fabregas signs for Chelsea (page 190)

[pavelsrnicek]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

London is where he lived for quite a while so I'd expect he would prefer there. But is Mourinho someone he'd like to work with? The shine is wearing off Mourinho but i think players still see him as a winner. I think he'll go to Chelsea.

I am disappointed that Kolorov, Milner and Rodwell are on their way.

I struggle to think of affordable replacements. This us where FFFP have screwed us. Cants.

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

If we bring in fabregas I think we'll move Garcia on, they're not like for like obviously but we would have Yaya, Fernando, Fernandinho, fabregas and Garcia. Plus our wide options would be reduced in Milner leaves silva, Nasri and Navas. Garcia could be sacrificed to bring in Isco on loan maybe?

 

[NipHolmes]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

London is where he lived for quite a while so I'd expect he would prefer there. But is Mourinho someone he'd like to work with? The shine is wearing off Mourinho but i think players still see him as a winner. I think he'll go to Chelsea.

I am disappointed that Kolorov, Milner and Rodwell are on their way.

I struggle to think of affordable replacements. This us where FFFP have screwed us. Cants.

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

Cant'see us getting Cole, doesn't want to move to a rival premier league club, allegedly. Can see him going to MLS even though he is STILL the best LB in the league imo. Woudl have him at City in a heartbeat, 3 year deal, 2 years with option to trigger a third. English, defensively solid, good going forward although he does so less nowadays. But the fact is our left side is our weak point for three years now. Cole solves that.

 

[NipHolmes]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Chelsea to go all guns blazing for Di Maria and/or Griezmann imo.

Oscar is their man in CAM and Schurlle after that. Fabregas isn't needed and I see it as a linked name. Chelsea are light in 4 areas, LB with Cole going, CB with Terry getting on and Luiz sold, they need a wide player to compete with Hazard and Willian and they need a striker.

So too assume the following
Shaw,
Mangala/Garay/Godin/Benatia and they have Zouma,
Di Maria/Griezmann
Costa

Shaw £30, Costa £40m + 2 others whhich would cost £50m or more. Fabregas is a Mata type of player, he's more direct but basically the same kinda player. Jose has Oscar to do this and he has Schurlle, he needs a box to box more than Fabregas, a Vidal or Khedira is more likely to be signed, the later I have been told they wanted last year so wouldn't shock me if they go again now.

IMO, and it is just that, opinion. United are the rival. They would sell Kagawa and have Fabregas with Carrick in a midfield two with Mata in front imo. Liverpool I doubt, they are after Lallana and using Fabregas as a foil, besides where are they finding £150-200k pw from to pay his wages? Lallana is about £60-90k, they'd be more inclined to go that route imo.

Finally, Arsenal. Midfield is the exact area they do not need strengthening. Wide players, forwards, rb and a holding mid they need. I can't see them being in for Fabregas unless they do something bold and cash in on Ozil possibly which I can't see. Fabregas is unfortunate that the move is this year and not last year. Prior to purchases of Mata and Ozil and even prior to City ffp ruling, he'd have had three solid bidders and therefore gets the best deal for himself. Regardless of his obvious talent, he is vying for a move to clubs that don't really need him, which is a testament to the strength of the top clubs. Even Spurs are stacked in midfield now!

It'd make a lot of sense to sell Ozil for 30m and buy Fabregas at about the same. A 10m loss would be well worth the upgrade.

Who'd buy Ozil then? Surely someone would?

Ozil is an astoundingly good player. He will come good and no way Arsenal sell, if they do, I think, Ironically, he would replace Fabregas at Barca.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

London is where he lived for quite a while so I'd expect he would prefer there. But is Mourinho someone he'd like to work with? The shine is wearing off Mourinho but i think players still see him as a winner. I think he'll go to Chelsea.

I am disappointed that Kolorov, Milner and Rodwell are on their way.

I struggle to think of affordable replacements. This us where FFFP have screwed us. Cants.

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

There's talk of Richards going to Hull for £8m but I think Oldham get a chunk of that fee. Barry is out of contract so we get nothing, likewise with Lescott. And trying to find a buyer for Sinclair is wishful thinking. There may be a chance of a few million (but not enough) for Garcia if he wants a change, and there may be a loan fee for Rodwell but I can't see anything else in the offing unless we use Nastasic in a part exchange deal for Benatia. Selling Kolarov would be madness (in my opinion) and we would only be left with having to splash out again for his replacement. I don't think Cole would be a good signing for us. If he doesn't fit in for Chelsea anymore, then that's a warning in itself.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

London is where he lived for quite a while so I'd expect he would prefer there. But is Mourinho someone he'd like to work with? The shine is wearing off Mourinho but i think players still see him as a winner. I think he'll go to Chelsea.

I am disappointed that Kolorov, Milner and Rodwell are on their way.

I struggle to think of affordable replacements. This us where FFFP have screwed us. Cants.

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

Cant'see us getting Cole, doesn't want to move to a rival premier league club, allegedly. Can see him going to MLS even though he is STILL the best LB in the league imo. Woudl have him at City in a heartbeat, 3 year deal, 2 years with option to trigger a third. English, defensively solid, good going forward although he does so less nowadays. But the fact is our left side is our weak point for three years now. Cole solves that.

Match his current Chelsea wages and I think you will find he would come running!!

I think he would be an incredible signing with a big-game mentality. Give him two years with an option for NYCFC.

We have freed-up millions on the wage bill with the departures of Barry and Lescott, so we will still keep the wages cap on an even keel.

 

[pml79]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

London is where he lived for quite a while so I'd expect he would prefer there. But is Mourinho someone he'd like to work with? The shine is wearing off Mourinho but i think players still see him as a winner. I think he'll go to Chelsea.

I am disappointed that Kolorov, Milner and Rodwell are on their way.

I struggle to think of affordable replacements. This us where FFFP have screwed us. Cants.

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

if its lookin tight could a bid for either navas or negredo if althetico come callin tip the balance with fabregas we could always use him in a 10 role behind sergio ?

 

[fbloke]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

£50m limit will be the amortised value.

Otherwise it makes no sense for FFP calcs as we would, if the players sign 5 year deals, have £10m outlay for FFP.

Also, as UEFA have alrady allowed us to 'disallow' incentive payments for players in calcs then they could not stop us from saying to a club that we pay £5m year one and if he plays 1 minute of football in years 1 and 2 a final payment of £45m is paid in year 3.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

London is where he lived for quite a while so I'd expect he would prefer there. But is Mourinho someone he'd like to work with? The shine is wearing off Mourinho but i think players still see him as a winner. I think he'll go to Chelsea.

I am disappointed that Kolorov, Milner and Rodwell are on their way.

I struggle to think of affordable replacements. This us where FFFP have screwed us. Cants.

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

There's talk of Richards going to Hull for £8m but I think Oldham get a chunk of that fee. Barry is out of contract so we get nothing, likewise with Lescott. And trying to find a buyer for Sinclair is wishful thinking. There may be a chance of a few million (but not enough) for Garcia if he wants a change, and there may be a loan fee for Rodwell but I can't see anything else in the offing unless we use Nastasic in a part exchange deal for Benatia. Selling Kolarov would be madness (in my opinion) and we would only be left with having to splash out again for his replacement. I don't think Cole would be a good signing for us. If he doesn't fit in for Chelsea anymore, then that's a warning in itself.

Oldham get 20 per cent on Richards.

You are wrong about Barry. If he joins Everton we get £2.5m back as part of the initial loan agreement.

Everton want Rodwell back on loan but with an agreement to purchase.

And there is plenty of interest in Sinclair, surprisingly, and we will get £3m-£4m.

Kolarov has less than 12 months remaining on his contract, like Milner. City have to be realistic about who actually wants to stay put.

The worst thing that could happen is forcing players to stay, as it will cause major harm in the dressing room.

 

[fbloke]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Not really, bud.

Rodwell never plays, Milner hardly plays and Kolarov could be the key to getting Benatia for £10m less than Roma are holding out for.

Those three bring in £25m.

Fernando is already filling any void in midfield.

Kolarov and £15m would be enough for Benatia.

Which means we have only spent £27m of our £49m cap.

We'd still have around £30m to spend on Fabregas.

Sagna - free

Benatia - £15m plus Kolarov

Fernando - £12m

Fabregas - £30m

That puts us about £8m over the cap.

But that's before further sales of players such as Richards, Sinclair and maybe £2.5m we get for Barry if he joins Everton.

It would be tight, but a back-up goalkeeper and a left back (Ashley Cole on a free, perhaps?) would see us squeak?

We don't need much.

There's talk of Richards going to Hull for £8m but I think Oldham get a chunk of that fee. Barry is out of contract so we get nothing, likewise with Lescott. And trying to find a buyer for Sinclair is wishful thinking. There may be a chance of a few million (but not enough) for Garcia if he wants a change, and there may be a loan fee for Rodwell but I can't see anything else in the offing unless we use Nastasic in a part exchange deal for Benatia. Selling Kolarov would be madness (in my opinion) and we would only be left with having to splash out again for his replacement. I don't think Cole would be a good signing for us. If he doesn't fit in for Chelsea anymore, then that's a warning in itself.

Oldham get 20 per cent on Richards.

We paid Oldham off for about £750k a couple of seasons ago.

 

[jimbopm]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

My personal opinion is that him moving to Chelsea would be a great surprise.

The dots don't seem to join?

He supposedly has great affection for Arsenal, so to undo all that goodwill by moving to a main rival in the city, would be a ballsy move for someone like him.

There are plenty of examples down the years of players not giving a toss, Ashley Cole, springs to mind, but Arsenal only allowed Fabregas to leave because of his desire to go 'home'.

He can compete and get wedged at various clubs. If London is the crucial factor, then Arsenal are missing an open goal and City can do nothing, anyways.

For the record, and perhaps a little example of some journos over-egging it.

The reports state Fabregas is the replacement for Frank Lampard, in light of his announcement yesterday that he was leaving.

That can't be true, as Chelsea still offered Lampard terms to stay, and the timeline is out of whack.

Fabregas arrived back in London last weekend.

Tolm, given City's recent history (to be exacerbated by Sagna too) i'd imagine there'd be plenty of Arsenal fans, maybe even a majority, who would prefer it if Fabregas signed for Chelsea above us?