Cesc Fabregas signs for Chelsea (page 190)

[George Hannah]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

@Pudge, never claimed to be ITK, I know a lad who used to work at Chelsea and now at another premier league club. Made a bold claim on Rooney and was found correct.

In regards to Garcia, I can safely assume we have definitely granted Rodwell for sale and sided with Garcia as he's fit more than Jack. They are on similar wages I have read, makes sense but Garcia is still not good enough.

@Oakie, Caballero from Malaga seems to be the name linked. Good keeper, 32-33 I think, played for Pellegrini and knows the systems favoured. Cost 3m ish, Benatia 30m. Leaves 16m plus whatever we revieve for Milner and Richards (reported fee assumptions) regardless of Sinclair and Barry fees(2-3+2-5m for Barry as part of loan deal contract) So we can assume a further 15m min, 20m for all. That funds Fabregas. Selling Rodwell (I actually want him to stay fit and I think he will force attention and aim to earn a place) will give us more money too.

The key now is seperate the wheat from the gaff over the next 2 windows. Give places to promoted youth and from next summer target only target upgrade + natural turnover of players with 2-3 a season. Spends fall on a net basis as we will be receiving good money for any players we sell and we have unfortuante off casts of academy to add to coffers.

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[Andouble]

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Rakitic to Barcelona for 15m euros + bonuses. Which probably means Cesc is gone.

that's really good business by Barcelona.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Rakitic to Barcelona for 15m euros + bonuses. Which probably means Cesc is gone.

that's really good business by Barcelona.

it's happening all around us - won't they let us play?

 

[Barcon]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

@Pudge, never claimed to be ITK, I know a lad who used to work at Chelsea and now at another premier league club. Made a bold claim on Rooney and was found correct.

In regards to Garcia, I can safely assume we have definitely granted Rodwell for sale and sided with Garcia as he's fit more than Jack. They are on similar wages I have read, makes sense but Garcia is still not good enough.

@Oakie, Caballero from Malaga seems to be the name linked. Good keeper, 32-33 I think, played for Pellegrini and knows the systems favoured. Cost 3m ish, Benatia 30m. Leaves 16m plus whatever we revieve for Milner and Richards (reported fee assumptions) regardless of Sinclair and Barry fees(2-3+2-5m for Barry as part of loan deal contract) So we can assume a further 15m min, 20m for all. That funds Fabregas. Selling Rodwell (I actually want him to stay fit and I think he will force attention and aim to earn a place) will give us more money too.

The key now is seperate the wheat from the gaff over the next 2 windows. Give places to promoted youth and from next summer target only target upgrade + natural turnover of players with 2-3 a season. Spends fall on a net basis as we will be receiving good money for any players we sell and we have unfortuante off casts of academy to add to coffers.

I would be very very surprised if we let Milner go before next season ends.

 

[pudge]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

@Pudge, never claimed to be ITK, I know a lad who used to work at Chelsea and now at another premier league club. Made a bold claim on Rooney and was found correct.

In regards to Garcia, I can safely assume we have definitely granted Rodwell for sale and sided with Garcia as he's fit more than Jack. They are on similar wages I have read, makes sense but Garcia is still not good enough.

@Oakie, Caballero from Malaga seems to be the name linked. Good keeper, 32-33 I think, played for Pellegrini and knows the systems favoured. Cost 3m ish, Benatia 30m. Leaves 16m plus whatever we revieve for Milner and Richards (reported fee assumptions) regardless of Sinclair and Barry fees(2-3+2-5m for Barry as part of loan deal contract) So we can assume a further 15m min, 20m for all. That funds Fabregas. Selling Rodwell (I actually want him to stay fit and I think he will force attention and aim to earn a place) will give us more money too.

The key now is seperate the wheat from the gaff over the next 2 windows. Give places to promoted youth and from next summer target only target upgrade + natural turnover of players with 2-3 a season. Spends fall on a net basis as we will be receiving good money for any players we sell and we have unfortuante off casts of academy to add to coffers.

Saying things like "Milner is being sold, as we know" would understandably lead someone to think you're claiming "higher status".

As I said, saying signing Fabregas is "common sense" when it in fact, in your own opinion, would be dependent on numerous scenarios taking place then it isn't so tbf.

Caballero would cost more than £3m, we would only receive a fee for Barry if he went to Everton and once again you're going on the assumption Milner will be sold when it's not clear at all if he will be. Coupled with other teams knowing our obvious transfer restrictions then they won't exactly be quick to pay what we want will they?

£30m for Fabregas, £12-15m for Fernando, £30m for Benatia/Mangala, and your £3m for Caballero (I wish) is about £75-78m.

We have a restriction of £49m, so that's £26-29m we need to recoup and your working out leaves us having an additional £20m.

Even with £69m, take away £12-15m for Fernando that's £54-57m, and as has been established a CB is of much, much greater priority and say we were to spend £30m on said CB that leaves £24-27m. So Fabregas for £27m then? Or £24m if you want to factor in your valuation and idea of signing Caballero..

Nevermind the idea that £2m of that fund, as measly as it may sound, is entirely dependent on Barry joining one certain club

Once again you have us down to sell 4 HG players and bring in 1, without working it out I think that might be a no go anyway.

Again, signing Fabregas, before we've even sold a player for additional funds (that would put us in an even bigger hole when negotiating) makes little to no sense; especially as there are more pressing needs to be addressed.

 

[GoMancini7]

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I think he would only arrive of we sell Yaya but timing is important here as Fabregas looks to move within two weeks and the Yaya saga could end only later.

 

[Kippax.]

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Pointless having Isco and Fabregas in the same team. Isco will come on loan with a view to buy next summer....City got the better player than Chelsea.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

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Pointless having Isco and Fabregas in the same team. Isco will come on loan with a view to buy next summer....City got the better player than Chelsea.

To the Isco thread!

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Pointless having Isco and Fabregas in the same team. Isco will come on loan with a view to buy next summer....City got the better player than Chelsea.

To the Isco thread!

Isco occupies the same territory as Nasri and Jovetic. Fabregas is a central midfielder. I don't see your point?

 

[Tron Coltrane]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Pointless having Isco and Fabregas in the same team. Isco will come on loan with a view to buy next summer....City got the better player than Chelsea.

To the Isco thread!

Isco occupies the same territory as Nasri and Jovetic. Fabregas is a central midfielder. I don't see your point?

It was a joke.

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

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To the Isco thread!

Isco occupies the same territory as Nasri and Jovetic. Fabregas is a central midfielder. I don't see your point?

It was a joke.

Apologies mate, I made a mistake quoting you. Was intending to quote Robbo.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

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Isco occupies the same territory as Nasri and Jovetic. Fabregas is a central midfielder. I don't see your point?

It was a joke.

Apologies mate, I made a mistake quoting you. Was intending to quote Robbo.

Whoever this is, I will find you.

 

[Joe Hart's Dandruff]

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Don't be going all Liam Neeson on me now!

 

[dachoosen1]

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Both CB's don't really seem too bothered on a move to us, neither have experience in this league and both have a ridiculous price tag. Cesc on the other hand is looking a move has more caps then our Merlin for Spain, has experience in the league, has played in the formations we tend to use and represents better value. I agree we need a CB but we also need a CM remember if Yaya wants to stay with the ACON he will be away for awhile, an injury to CM could end our season. Would rather sign Cesc and a reasonably priced CB, Garay would have been a great shout. Cesc 30 mil, Garay/Sokratis 15mil, Fernando 12mil, Westwood free, Sagna free, 57mill spent and we are bound to be able to recoup 8 mil from Richards, Rodwell, Sinclair and Guidetti.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

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Both CB's don't really seem too bothered on a move to us, neither have experience in this league and both have a ridiculous price tag. Cesc on the other hand is looking a move has more caps then our Merlin for Spain, has experience in the league, has played in the formations we tend to use and represents better value. I agree we need a CB but we also need a CM remember if Yaya wants to stay with the ACON he will be away for awhile, an injury to CM could end our season. Would rather sign Cesc and a reasonably priced CB, Garay would have been a great shout. Cesc 30 mil, Garay/Sokratis 15mil, Fernando 12mil, Westwood free, Sagna free, 57mill spent and we are bound to be able to recoup 8 mil from Richards, Rodwell, Sinclair and Guidetti.

I think you're going to keep bumping into people like me who think it's a bit dramatic to say an injury to CM would end our season. We had a remarkably good record without Yaya last season, and now we're adding Fernando. Fernandinho can push up when Yaya isn't playing (not sure where some people got the idea that Dinho is strictly a defensive midfielder), and if all hell breaks loose we have others who can at least do the job while the rest of the team steps up.

If you buy Fabregas you're forced to start him with Yaya. Neither are content playing 2nd fiddle. Starting Yaya & Fabregas together breaks apart everything we successfully built last summer in an effort to try something new and shiny.

I do agree that there are other defensive options, though. So we'll always have that.

 

[Salfordian Blue]

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Any chance whatsoever of a Yaya/Cesc swap deal?

It seems logical. One wants to go to Barcelona, who are eager to have him. The other wants to play for a top four English club.

Was it you who said we should offer yaya to real so they let us get isco last year ?

Gods no! More than that, I freely admit knowing next to nothing about Isco at the time.

Until recently, I would have felt sick at the idea of Yaya moving onwards.

It's only in light of recent behaviour that my feelings towards the big man are starting to sour somewhat.

 

[Jimfv1]

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I agree with Nip in that Fabregas isn't a luxury signings, sometimes when a player becomes available at the right price it is too good an opportunity to miss. He scores goals, he classes as homegrown, he can be used to rotate with Silva, Nasri and Yaya, he would fit in with all the Spanish speaking lads and speaks good English too. The fee is lower than that being quoted last summer.

When Chelsea can sign him unopposed for such a low fee it would be a shame if we weren't in for him, likewise Barca getting Rakitic for 15m is another steal. We could sign a great midfielder who would make us stronger, and we should forget about this squad player talk, what has been seen this season is we need players who can come in and out of the team to keep us strong in all competitions. We lost Fernandinho at just the wrong time and were also short on strikers and lost to Barca and Chelsea within days last season. Having Fabregas available would have improved us no end.

Also factor in Yaya getting older and the fact that most of our players will be in the World Cup and this competition will also take its toll next season then Fabregas makes more sense. I actually think we can manage for another season with a less well known centre back and buy the one we really want next season when FFP should have no further restriction on us.

We only know Lescott, Barry and Pantilimon are leaving due to their contracts expiring and not being renewed, Milner was a bit of a shock to me because there was no talk of him going until the season finished. Rodwell could be sold or loaned and Richards has reportedly turned down the contract he was offered by the club. Sinclair was never good enough and a total waste of money.

The Isco on loan rumours keep appearing and I hope we don't keep pursuing this for it to be a deal that can never be reached with Madrid, especially to the detriment of securing other more attainable targets. Negredo to Athletico could be a deal and the futures of Dzeko and Kolarov are also unclear due to them each being in the final years of their contracts, similar to Milner. We might not want to see these players go but if an offer came in for any of them then it would have to be considered if it outweighs both the financial and playing aspects of the club.

We will see fans favourites sold at some time, and we'll have to accept that this is a business and our owners want to keep strengthening to win more trophies while cutting costs if we can. Personally I would love to see Fabregas at City this summer, but I honestly think the amount of stories coming out about Chelsea mean they are in pole position to sign him. If we haven't even enquired then I think this is a mistake especially if the figues being mentioned are true, however we may have asked about signing him and been quoted too high a transfer fee or the players or agents demands may be too steep for us to pursue the transfer. Only those at the club know for sure and would have their reasons for us not trying to sign him.

 

[Jack Wills]

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I agree with Nip in that Fabregas isn't a luxury signings, sometimes when a player becomes available at the right price it is too good an opportunity to miss. He scores goals, he classes as homegrown, he can be used to rotate with Silva, Nasri and Yaya, he would fit in with all the Spanish speaking lads and speaks good English too. The fee is lower than that being quoted last summer.

When Chelsea can sign him unopposed for such a low fee it would be a shame if we weren't in for him, likewise Barca getting Rakitic for 15m is another steal. We could sign a great midfielder who would make us stronger, and we should forget about this squad player talk, what has been seen this season is we need players who can come in and out of the team to keep us strong in all competitions. We lost Fernandinho at just the wrong time and were also short on strikers and lost to Barca and Chelsea within days last season. Having Fabregas available would have improved us no end.

Also factor in Yaya getting older and the fact that most of our players will be in the World Cup and this competition will also take its toll next season then Fabregas makes more sense. I actually think we can manage for another season with a less well known centre back and buy the one we really want next season when FFP should have no further restriction on us.

We only know Lescott, Barry and Pantilimon are leaving due to their contracts expiring and not being renewed, Milner was a bit of a shock to me because there was no talk of him going until the season finished. Rodwell could be sold or loaned and Richards has reportedly turned down the contract he was offered by the club. Sinclair was never good enough and a total waste of money.

The Isco on loan rumours keep appearing and I hope we don't keep pursuing this for it to be a deal that can never be reached with Madrid, especially to the detriment of securing other more attainable targets. Negredo to Athletico could be a deal and the futures of Dzeko and Kolarov are also unclear due to them each being in the final years of their contracts, similar to Milner. We might not want to see these players go but if an offer came in for any of them then it would have to be considered if it outweighs both the financial and playing aspects of the club.

We will see fans favourites sold at some time, and we'll have to accept that this is a business and our owners want to keep strengthening to win more trophies while cutting costs if we can. Personally I would love to see Fabregas at City this summer, but I honestly think the amount of stories coming out about Chelsea mean they are in pole position to sign him. If we haven't even enquired then I think this is a mistake especially if the figues being mentioned are true, however we may have asked about signing him and been quoted too high a transfer fee or the players or agents demands may be too steep for us to pursue the transfer. Only those at the club know for sure and would have their reasons for us not trying to sign him.

Fantastic post, I agree with all of this.

 

[bluechampion7891]

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We do need a CM, there is absolutely no doubt about it. At this moment we only have Yaya and Fernandinho. Fernando, when he come in, will be a DM and won't start most matches. He will replace Garcia (who might not be sold, but will probably have his playing time reduced a lot).

However, we need a (backup) CM who is willing to play second fiddle, who has some box to box attributes, and is a good passer at high tempo. I honestly don't know if anyone is available in the market at the moment.

Fabregas to me while an awesome option will only be viable if Yaya leaves. Also, he would probably slow down our play a bit. We also have to ask where he he fit in the attacking midfield. In a 442, that's only two slots between Silva, Navas, Nasri (assuming milner leaves). Silva will always start, Nasri and Fabreags are similar and I expect Navas to start half the games to inject pace. Because with both Nasri and Fabregas, we will be slow.

The only way I can see Fabregas arriving is if we move to 4-2-3-1 with Aguero or Dzeko upfront, and Milner leaves. OR if Yaya leaves, but I still son't see him fitting well in a 442. And I don't see him arriving at the expense of signing a Center Back, unless we move to 4-3-3 with Fernando as the DM, we might get away with our current CBs. But then we would need a goal scoring winger.

In all honesty, I don't expect to see him in a City shirt. But I do expect we will sign a back up CM (we need to)

 

[Nightmare Walking]

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Fabregas would be a pointless signing imo. He is not what we need at all.
Would rather Sanchez or Di Maria who would be far more beneficial to us.