Cesc Fabregas signs for Chelsea (page 190)

[Marvin]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

So transfer market is going to go into hibernation now for players involved in the World Cup.

I'm surprised that Utd have not made a move. There must be a lot of truth in the rumours that Van Gaal has knocked on the head all Moyes's targets.

 

[BobKowalski]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I like this.

I do feel it's wishful thinking though.

At the start of last season Chelsea were favourites for the title. They have to deliver next season, because last season they fell way short. Unlike Pellegrini, Mourinho knew the Premier League and the core of his team. He didn't need time to adjust, and his team didn't need time to adjust to him. They should have been uncatchable after our poor start.

Regardless of their Champions League "success" his first season at Chelsea was disappointing. He sold their best player, and reportedly fell out with Hazard. And now Chelsea have bid for Fabregas which spells trouble for Mourinho. In his first spell, Abramovic bought players that were foisted on the manager eg Shevchenko and this all sounds very familiar.

Chelsea have managed to replace Cole, and Lampard was already gone (can you believe that Hodgson has taken him to the World Cup?) but Terry will need to be replaced. Can Zouma or Kallas do that? That puts a big question mark against them next season

Thought the bookies had us as faves? No matter. Not sure why Chelsea as a team didn't need time to adjust to Mourinho. Or him to them. The bulk of them had never played for Mourinho and it was short in two areas as far as Mourinho was concerned. CM which was addressed by the purchase of Matic and up top unless you think a forward line of Torres, Ba and Eto'o is better than Aguero, Dzeko, Negrado and Jovetic? Previous season Mata had been the main man. Under Mourinho he was sold in January. What does that tell you about the work that Mourinho felt needed to be done to bring the squad up to a level where it can win the title?

Not winning a trophy will always go down as a 'disappointing' season for both the club and the manager but the fact that Mourinho is still there after a potless season says to me that Roman did accept Mourinho's argument that the squad he took over was not a title winning one. If they address the imbalances in the squad this transfer window and still don't win the title then yes Mourinho will get the heave ho but last season the squad was clearly deficient especially in the striker department.

 

[adrianr]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

Argh. No, they wouldn't have. Unless by striker you mean 'A man who can conjure up a chance out of thin air and score a goal from it every game', and if any team had one of those they would likely win the league. Chelsea as a unit just don't create enough good chances. A striker wouldn't have solved their problem of teams sitting back off them and beating them at their own game.

Mourinho has a big task next season because he needs to accomplish two things. One, win, obviously. But two, win in style. Especially if they sign Fabregas and Costa, they're going to have an array of attacking talent matched probably only by us (domestically), and we are fucking brilliant to watch. At every top team now winning isn't enough. It's never been enough at Real Madrid, nor Barca. You have to do it well.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

Argh. No, they wouldn't have. Unless by striker you mean 'A man who can conjure up a chance out of thin air and score a goal from it every game', and if any team had one of those they would likely win the league. Chelsea as a unit just don't create enough good chances. A striker wouldn't have solved their problem of teams sitting back off them and beating them at their own game.

Mourinho has a big task next season because he needs to accomplish two things. One, win, obviously. But two, win in style. Especially if they sign Fabregas and Costa, they're going to have an array of attacking talent matched probably only by us (domestically), and we are fucking brilliant to watch. At every top team now winning isn't enough. It's never been enough at Real Madrid, nor Barca. You have to do it well.

Aye, I agree with most of that. I think it's interesting that the most creative players at the club when he joined (Hazard, Mata, Oscar) seem to be the ones who come in for the most criticism from Mourinho. Mata's gone, Hazard will be a PSG player within 12 months, and Oscar ... well, lets see.

The biggest problem Mourinho faces is that in the past his methods, no matter what they were, ended up with results so any complaining from players or executives about "style" were quickly quashed. I think things are a little different this time round. I don't think Mourinho can mould a Mourinho team to dominate the PL the way he did a decade or so ago because the competition is stronger and the league is different. Abramovich will have seen that Liverpool and City finished above Chelsea whilst playing box office football. He will want the same next season, but Mourinho won't do it.

As I say, I reckon he won't win the league, will finish further behind us, then inevitably get sacked.

 

[whyalwaysyou]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

Argh. No, they wouldn't have. Unless by striker you mean 'A man who can conjure up a chance out of thin air and score a goal from it every game', and if any team had one of those they would likely win the league. Chelsea as a unit just don't create enough good chances. A striker wouldn't have solved their problem of teams sitting back off them and beating them at their own game.

Mourinho has a big task next season because he needs to accomplish two things. One, win, obviously. But two, win in style. Especially if they sign Fabregas and Costa, they're going to have an array of attacking talent matched probably only by us (domestically), and we are fucking brilliant to watch. At every top team now winning isn't enough. It's never been enough at Real Madrid, nor Barca. You have to do it well.

Luis Suarez in that Chelsea side last yr and they'd of won the league IMO

 

[Marvin]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I do feel it's wishful thinking though.

At the start of last season Chelsea were favourites for the title. They have to deliver next season, because last season they fell way short. Unlike Pellegrini, Mourinho knew the Premier League and the core of his team. He didn't need time to adjust, and his team didn't need time to adjust to him. They should have been uncatchable after our poor start.

Regardless of their Champions League "success" his first season at Chelsea was disappointing. He sold their best player, and reportedly fell out with Hazard. And now Chelsea have bid for Fabregas which spells trouble for Mourinho. In his first spell, Abramovic bought players that were foisted on the manager eg Shevchenko and this all sounds very familiar.

Chelsea have managed to replace Cole, and Lampard was already gone (can you believe that Hodgson has taken him to the World Cup?) but Terry will need to be replaced. Can Zouma or Kallas do that? That puts a big question mark against them next season

Thought the bookies had us as faves? No matter. Not sure why Chelsea as a team didn't need time to adjust to Mourinho. Or him to them. The bulk of them had never played for Mourinho and it was short in two areas as far as Mourinho was concerned. CM which was addressed by the purchase of Matic and up top unless you think a forward line of Torres, Ba and Eto'o is better than Aguero, Dzeko, Negrado and Jovetic? Previous season Mata had been the main man. Under Mourinho he was sold in January. What does that tell you about the work that Mourinho felt needed to be done to bring the squad up to a level where it can win the title?

Not winning a trophy will always go down as a 'disappointing' season for both the club and the manager but the fact that Mourinho is still there after a potless season says to me that Roman did accept Mourinho's argument that the squad he took over was not a title winning one. If they address the imbalances in the squad this transfer window and still don't win the title then yes Mourinho will get the heave ho but last season the squad was clearly deficient especially in the striker department.

I checked Chelsea and City were pretty much joint favourites with the bookies (9-4)

Mourinho knew Chelsea inside out and kept in touch with several of their players. He knew the club, the training ground, the routine and culture of the club. Some players had changed but several were the same. It was clearly a much easier job of transition for Mourinho than Pellegrini and the early season results suggest that too

 

[117 M34]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

Yes we will but I think the signings that Chelsea are likely to make will strengthen them more than the signings that we are likely to make will strengthen us - maybe because we are stronger to begin with??

We aren't going to win in every year, we should be there or thereabouts most years but I don't think next season will be our year, though we will run them close.

 

[City_Sean]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

Yes we will but I think the signings that Chelsea are likely to make will strengthen them more than the signings that we are likely to make will strengthen us - maybe because we are stronger to begin with??

We aren't going to win in every year, we should be there or thereabouts most years but I don't think next season will be our year, though we will run them close.

If we sign Fernando, Benatia and Sagna we will win it, last year we had the problem of injuries to Jovetic, Aguero, Rodwell and Kompany, we struggled hugely to replace them, this year we will finally get a world class centre back and improve the squad depth, which is all we need, our starting XI is still the strongest by a mile in the league.

 

[totallywired]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

Argh. No, they wouldn't have. Unless by striker you mean 'A man who can conjure up a chance out of thin air and score a goal from it every game', and if any team had one of those they would likely win the league. Chelsea as a unit just don't create enough good chances. A striker wouldn't have solved their problem of teams sitting back off them and beating them at their own game.

Mourinho has a big task next season because he needs to accomplish two things. One, win, obviously. But two, win in style. Especially if they sign Fabregas and Costa, they're going to have an array of attacking talent matched probably only by us (domestically), and we are fucking brilliant to watch. At every top team now winning isn't enough. It's never been enough at Real Madrid, nor Barca. You have to do it well.

Luis Suarez in that Chelsea side last yr and they'd of won the league IMO

shock post!

 

[adrianr]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

Argh. No, they wouldn't have. Unless by striker you mean 'A man who can conjure up a chance out of thin air and score a goal from it every game', and if any team had one of those they would likely win the league. Chelsea as a unit just don't create enough good chances. A striker wouldn't have solved their problem of teams sitting back off them and beating them at their own game.

Mourinho has a big task next season because he needs to accomplish two things. One, win, obviously. But two, win in style. Especially if they sign Fabregas and Costa, they're going to have an array of attacking talent matched probably only by us (domestically), and we are fucking brilliant to watch. At every top team now winning isn't enough. It's never been enough at Real Madrid, nor Barca. You have to do it well.

Aye, I agree with most of that. I think it's interesting that the most creative players at the club when he joined (Hazard, Mata, Oscar) seem to be the ones who come in for the most criticism from Mourinho. Mata's gone, Hazard will be a PSG player within 12 months, and Oscar ... well, lets see.

The biggest problem Mourinho faces is that in the past his methods, no matter what they were, ended up with results so any complaining from players or executives about "style" were quickly quashed. I think things are a little different this time round. I don't think Mourinho can mould a Mourinho team to dominate the PL the way he did a decade or so ago because the competition is stronger and the league is different. Abramovich will have seen that Liverpool and City finished above Chelsea whilst playing box office football. He will want the same next season, but Mourinho won't do it.

As I say, I reckon he won't win the league, will finish further behind us, then inevitably get sacked.

You should agree with all of it Billy I'm right! ;)

Interesting about Hazard. I just don't follow Chelsea's logic there. It would be like us selling Aguero. It's not like players like him are growing on trees at the moment and he's only going to get better.

 

[Danamy]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I do feel it's wishful thinking though.

At the start of last season Chelsea were favourites for the title. They have to deliver next season, because last season they fell way short. Unlike Pellegrini, Mourinho knew the Premier League and the core of his team. He didn't need time to adjust, and his team didn't need time to adjust to him. They should have been uncatchable after our poor start.

Regardless of their Champions League "success" his first season at Chelsea was disappointing. He sold their best player, and reportedly fell out with Hazard. And now Chelsea have bid for Fabregas which spells trouble for Mourinho. In his first spell, Abramovic bought players that were foisted on the manager eg Shevchenko and this all sounds very familiar.

Chelsea have managed to replace Cole, and Lampard was already gone (can you believe that Hodgson has taken him to the World Cup?) but Terry will need to be replaced. Can Zouma or Kallas do that? That puts a big question mark against them next season

Not winning a trophy will always go down as a 'disappointing' season for both the club and the manager but the fact that Mourinho is still there after a potless season says to me that Roman did accept Mourinho's argument that the squad he took over was not a title winning one. If they address the imbalances in the squad this transfer window and still don't win the title then yes Mourinho will get the heave ho but last season the squad was clearly deficient especially in the striker department.

His quotes last season were found to be fact as they fell short in every competition, in reality though all he's done is put pressure on himself and his team for next season.

I'm also sure Wenger has the "failure" comment up his sleeve ready to come out and remind him some time next season during a presser?

He's painted himself in to a corner and if he ends up next season empty handed then he's fucked, he'll probably get the sack and Chelsea will go all out for Simeone, the manager they really wanted in the first place.

 

[Thenumber1blue]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

I think Chelsea will win the league next year - though I said that this time last year too.

If they had a striker last year, they would have won it. If they sign costa, that is likely to solve that problem and fabregas can only make you stronger. Maybe they need another centre half to compete with terry and cahill but they have a very strong squad.

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

Yes we will but I think the signings that Chelsea are likely to make will strengthen them more than the signings that we are likely to make will strengthen us - maybe because we are stronger to begin with??

We aren't going to win in every year, we should be there or thereabouts most years but I don't think next season will be our year, though we will run them close.

If we didn't have so many injuries ,we'd have pissed all over the league and maybe done a treble !

 

[Mancitybluemoon1]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

You realise we will strengthen as well don't you? Show some balls and look forward to the battle!

Yes we will but I think the signings that Chelsea are likely to make will strengthen them more than the signings that we are likely to make will strengthen us - maybe because we are stronger to begin with??

We aren't going to win in every year, we should be there or thereabouts most years but I don't think next season will be our year, though we will run them close.

If we sign Fernando, Benatia and Sagna we will win it, last year we had the problem of injuries to Jovetic, Aguero, Rodwell and Kompany, we struggled hugely to replace them, this year we will finally get a world class centre back and improve the squad depth, which is all we need, our starting XI is still the strongest by a mile in the league.

Can Fernando play CB?........I think City were a little over confident when they said they completed all their business already(they said they had done it during the season!).....Finding a "world class" CB is now going to be tricky.......Would we consider playing Fernando at CB if a starter/depth at that position, cant be found?

 

[richards30]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Fwiw I think we are right in the mix for fabregas and mourinho is just on a power trip declaring an interest. I just can't see fabregas joining chelsea or mourinho.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Fabregas will win Chelsea the league, I think they'll get over 90 points.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Fabregas will win Chelsea the league, I think they'll get over 90 points.

So basically you are saying he is better than Yaya and Fernandinho ?

Why would one player win them the league ?

 

[dachoosen1]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Of course one player can will a team the league, RVP at the rags, take Zabaleta out of our team last year and where would we have finished, one player can completely change games Cesc will create a lot of opportunities for whatever club he signs for and with good finisher will cause for less silly points dropped.

 

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Fabregas will win Chelsea the league, I think they'll get over 90 points.

So basically you are saying he is better than Yaya and Fernandinho ?

Why would one player win them the league ?

He plays in a different role. Willian, Fabregas and Hazard feeding Costa is top drawer. Fabregas is world class, fuck knows why Barcelona are getting rid.


Courtois
Luis Terry Cahill Ivanovic
Ramieres Matic
Willan Fabregas Hazard
Costa



You could argue that's a stronger first 11 than anything we have, including if we sign Benatia, Sagna and Fernando.

 

[BigOscar]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Mourinho will ruin him, they already have Oscar anyway, who Mourinho stopped playing. Mourinho hates having possession, so players like Fabregas and Oscar are wasted under him. He wants to play direct counter attacking football with midfielders who put in a shift and don't mind chasing all day, I really don't see how Fabregas fits into that at all

 

[blueparrot]

Re: Cesc Fabregas

Fabregas will win Chelsea the league, I think they'll get over 90 points.

So basically you are saying he is better than Yaya and Fernandinho ?

Why would one player win them the league ?

He plays in a different role. Willian, Fabregas and Hazard feeding Costa is top drawer. Fabregas is world class, fuck knows why Barcelona are getting rid.


Courtois
Luis Terry Cahill Ivanovic
Ramieres Matic
Willan Fabregas Hazard
Costa



You could argue that's a stronger first 11 than anything we have, including if we sign Benatia, Sagna and Fernando.

Is Fabregas that much better than Oscar or Schurlle who played there last season ? Don't think Luis will be playing RB either.