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CFG | Academy | EDS in & out season 2021/22
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That's because with the sole exception of Sancho, there isn't a single player who was actually good enough. Foden on the other hand made the break through because he is good enough, and if Delap is he'll get his chance. If he isn't, like you said he'll get sold.
I don't think you we can go into the season relying on Delap, and I don't think there's a crystal ball that we can chart his development in. We just have to wait and see.
I think the frustration for some is that many probably are actually good enough if given a chance. Whether that should happen or not is a different debate, but it's a fair point. Our academy sides are battering everyone so clearly elite in terms of youth success. They're the cream of the crop.
We're currently chasing a Villa product who wasn't exactly Phil Foden at the same age. Kane wasn't even a superstar dead cert either. The clubs that we're signing these players from aren't just better at producing talented young players. They're often not. The difference is that they gave them a chance. Some people want us to do the same. I don't think that's unreasonable and it definitely is a bit unfair when people just presume that any player we move on was just not good enough. It's a bit of a simplification.
BlueMoonRisin’
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That's because they have been largely in transition since Ferguson left, plus we've been so dominant. Our academy was set up to (eventually) produce our own young starlets, not buy them from other clubs.But won nothing in the last few years.
Was 92 as you know and it worked successfully. No reason why we cannot bring a few kids through next season.Success? What success?
Unless you're going back to the 90s?
The Light Was Yellow Sir
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8 former academy players in the knockout stages of the Euro’s with 10 involved in the final stages, suggest they’re doing something right. Developing players, educating players, selling them on, options to buy back or rake another fee should they be sold on. It’s a gold mine not only for city but for the players involved. I hear the usual ‘pundits’ saying dont go to city as there is no path into the first team. There might not be an immediate path into the city first team, unless you’re exceptional, but there is certainly a path into professional football for more of our academy than most, if not all, of the others. What’s not to like?No i don't expect overnight success but the academy (like i say) has been open going on 8 years! The rags have had success by successfully integrating youth into the first team and there's no excuses not to give our best kids a chance IMO.
BillyShears
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Isn’t the feeling that Delap, Palmer and Lavia have bigger chances than any academy player since Foden?
Yes, absolutely.
Del_Bosque
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I think the frustration for some is that many probably are actually good enough if given a chance. Whether that should happen or not is a different debate, but it's a fair point. Our academy sides are battering everyone so clearly elite in terms of youth success. They're the cream of the crop.
We're currently chasing a Villa product who wasn't exactly Phil Foden at the same age. Kane wasn't even a superstar dead cert either. The clubs that we're signing these players from aren't just better at producing talented young players. They're often not. The difference is that they gave them a chance. Some people want us to do the same. I don't think that's unreasonable and it definitely is a bit unfair when people just presume that any player we move on was just not good enough. It's a bit of a simplification.
What I don't get is that we don't use the CFG clubs more for experience.
I thought there would be loads off to Girona to get some senior level football then maybe one or 2 coming back to the first team squad.
The only one who's ever had a game after being out on loan is Zinchenko and he'd already had senior football before he signed for us.
BillyShears
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I think the frustration for some is that many probably are actually good enough if given a chance.
If people are frustrated at how the academy is run, that's up to them. I like winning trophies and we do lots of that so the whole 'development' thing I'm happy to leave to clubs like Dortmund whose entire business is built around taking punts on kids.
Also, as I say, we haven't lost a single one other than Sancho who has achieved anything that made me think "shit they could've done it here".
BillyShears
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No i don't expect overnight success but the academy (like i say) has been open going on 8 years! The rags have had success by successfully integrating youth into the first team and there's no excuses not to give our best kids a chance IMO.
Oh dear.
Kippax.
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Foden is the only homegrown academy player that's made it since our academy opened in late 2013. That's pretty piss poor i think.
I’m not sure you understand what an academy is all about in modern football. Foden is a shining example however the concept is more of a business model now. Its a stream of income selling youth on. Taking a young player on and developing him into a talented prospect to them sell on for millions is a fabulous business model at little cost. City do this perfectly, yes we may have a Phil Foden come along once every 10 years however the concept is far greater. If you thought we’d have a team full of academy player by now then you’d be sadly mistaken.
BlueMoonRisin’
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What's not to like? Lol. It's about time we started developing young players for us. If we weren't loaded we'd have no choice to give youth a chance.8 former academy players in the knockout stages of the Euro’s with 10 involved in the final stages, suggest they’re doing something right. Developing players, educating players, selling them on, options to buy back or rake another fee should they be sold on. It’s a gold mine not only for city but for the players involved. I hear the usual ‘pundits’ saying dont go to city as there is no path into the first team. There might not be an immediate path into the city first team, unless you’re exceptional, but there is certainly a path into professional football for more of our academy than most, if not all, of the others. What’s not to like?