CFG acquire Mumbai City - Yokohama J league champions

Marvin said:
Are City greater as the kingpin of an international group, or are we weakened by subsidising loss-making international ventures?

There was much excitement when the $500m investment in CFG was announced, but this is the background: investments in clubs other than Man City. I can see that clubs like NYC may benefit from being linked to Man City, but do Man City see benefits?

I can think of the odd player e.g., Aaron Mooy, but generally, it looks like City are pumping money into overseas football clubs. There must be some synergies but they are vague. MBappe in a Man City shirt would not be vague.

I do like the idea of City being part of a big family of international clubs, but about 0.0001% of my emotional investment is vested with the overseas clubs, and the rest is with Man City. From what I understand all but Girona are loss-making, (and they were relegated and part-owned anyway), so wouldn't the fans of Man City be happier still if the US$500m went direct into Man City?

As we see with Man Utd, a poorly managed club can haemorrhage money. Can CFG really effectively managed a huge number of overseas football clubs? I doubt this model has much chance of success. People think Khaldoon etc is a genius, and super intelligent guy, well he may be but he only has two eyes and one brain and limited capacity to focus.

Generally, financial markets frown massively on companies that aggressively expand overseas because it is a managerial disaster.
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My understanding is that Manchester City is measured as Manchester City, not the group. However being part of a larger group helps the Manchester City entity, as we probably sell City’s services to the wider Group?
 
Marvin said:
Are City greater as the kingpin of an international group, or are we weakened by subsidising loss-making international ventures?

There was much excitement when the $500m investment in CFG was announced, but this is the background: investments in clubs other than Man City. I can see that clubs like NYC may benefit from being linked to Man City, but do Man City see benefits?

I can think of the odd player e.g., Aaron Mooy, but generally, it looks like City are pumping money into overseas football clubs. There must be some synergies but they are vague. MBappe in a Man City shirt would not be vague.

I do like the idea of City being part of a big family of international clubs, but about 0.0001% of my emotional investment is vested with the overseas clubs, and the rest is with Man City. From what I understand all but Girona are loss-making, (and they were relegated and part-owned anyway), so wouldn't the fans of Man City be happier still if the US$500m went direct into Man City?

As we see with Man Utd, a poorly managed club can haemorrhage money. Can CFG really effectively managed a huge number of overseas football clubs? I doubt this model has much chance of success. People think Khaldoon etc is a genius, and super intelligent guy, well he may be but he only has two eyes and one brain and limited capacity to focus.

Generally, financial markets frown massively on companies that aggressively expand overseas because it is a managerial disaster.
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To Marvin and others expressing doubts:
Of course there are risks, it's business, after all. But we should bear in mind certain key facts.
1. ADUG/ Mansour have provided all the capital for our own and CFG's expansion.
2. Most of the risk falls on CFG, not us.
3. Football clubs are essentially small businesses in world terms. City's turnover is £500m. Tesco, for example, have a t/o of £68 billion. The risks are quite small and their management is not hard.
4. Silver Lake's investment shows they, and by implication the wider business world, believe in CFG model and plans.
5. There are potentially major benefits for City as part of a global group in sponsorship, shared costs, technology transfer, scouting, broadcasting,youth development etc etc.

So, lets not be too pessimistic, what's the worst that can happen? If the group flounders, City will still be around, probably owned by M.E., Chinese, Indian, or US groups.Or we might revert to being little old City. I can't see CFG allowing serious debt to arise such that the good Sheik can't cover it.
10 years ago, we were almost dead. Chin up.
 
People seem to be getting confused with investment into CFG and Manchester City.

Any monies paid to CFG are not available to City therefore would not be used to buy players. City stands on its own in that regard as it does with capital expenditure on things like the North Stand.

This money allows City to expand its global network and improve its access of and use of technology. It also brings in new partners who may wish to expand in other areas such as arena's etc.

We have owners whose ambition and money know no bounds and are happy to work with people with similar vision. Once many years ago I was told I should get into "IT" I laughed and said the boss had told me to get into "it" oh how we laughed. The thing is certain people see not what is but what will be and is the reason they become the wealthy. 30 years ago which seemed the safer bet Woolworths or Amazon yet look where we are now
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Another club I won’t give a shit about., f

I’d rather they spent some time and money flattening out the ground around the stadium so there are these ridiculous puddles everywhere when it rains, and sorting out the transport to/from the stadium and Town.
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I hope it works, but I can't force an emotional connection with a club and world I know nothing about. I think our owner maybe throwing his money away, but it's his to throw away

City have Liverpool to deal with. These strategies don't deal with Liverpool. If anything they hinder it because it means there's a lack of managerial focus on the problems facing Man City, and resources are moved elsewhere. There is one benefit to this. For a global City Football Group to work it as to have a successful flagship.

In some senses of course Sheikh Mansour has always had fingers in other pies i.e. other investments. This is no different. I can't get excited about CFG. I am only interested in MCFC. I hope it works out but I don't see why Manchester City fans should start getting excited about capital injections into other football clubs even if they are related to City in accounting terms.

The one thing I take from Chinese Media Capital and Silverlake investments is that it's proof that Abu Dhabi does not own and control Man City. If it did, we wouldn't do it. The Chinese Media Capital venture was justified on the basis that it allowed City to bid for Chinese clubs so you could argue that the capital was not important, but in the case of Silverlake it's clearly 100% a commercial venture which a state-owned football club would not enter into purely because they would have no need for the capital.
 
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