Champions League Games 7/8 May

David 'El Mago' Silva said:
As I said, I'm only quoting what UEFA have said, I never stated it as fact which is why I said apparently in the first instance. If he wasn't shown all available angles as you say then that's inept on their part. I think it would have stood anyway as it wasn't delibrate but that's besides the point.
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This is probably a sign of what we have to look forward to. They will defend every mistake and explain them away through studio referees who never go against the refs in a big game(in the UK atleast, a Spanish ref said it shouldn't have stood).

If they'd have admitted a mistake was made and they will take steps to make sure there's not a repeat, we'd still be mad but in the end we'd just accept that as an apology of sorts and what more could they really do other than try and make sure it doesn't happen again?

Instead it looks like they've just tried to cover all angles to say nothing went wrong. They even try and defend gaining an advantage with the arm in scoring a goal, by using a rule meant to decide whether a defender has given away a penalty. Deliberate or not, directly going in or not, that has always been seen against the spirit of the game. Refs don't like it, fans don't like and it makes sense that it shouldn't be accepted. He messed the chance up, it might have instead have glanced off him in the other direction judging by Ederson's movements.
 
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David 'El Mago' Silva said:
I did but I couldn't remember if we were shown everything on TV that the referee was shown. Watched the clip and it does look as though he was only shown one angle so either UEFA lied or different angles were made available and the referee chose not to view them all.
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Who do you think was looping the footage for the ref? The Var ref?
They prepared the best clip for him to assess knowing one angle shows nothing (the one on loop on the screen he’s watching that he bases his decision on) and the one BT had already shown us at home from behind the goal - the one which shows the blatant contact. Rio Ferdinand even said “you can see the skin wobble as the ball hits his arm” when reviewing the angle from behind the goal!
Did you also see the ref shrug his shoulders as he walks away from the screen as if to say “I couldn’t see nothing”? Watch the video I posted again and watch as he walks to award the goal.
 
Metalartin said:
This is probably a sign of what we have to look forward to. They will defend every mistake and explain them away through studio referees who never go against the refs in a big game(in the UK atleast, a Spanish ref said it shouldn't have stood).

If they'd have admitted a mistake was made and they will take steps to make sure there's a repeat, we'd still be mad but in the end we'd just accept that as an apology of sorts and what more could they really do other than try and make sure it doesn't happen again? Instead it looks like they've just tried to cover all angles to say nothing went wrong. They even try and defend gaining an advantage with the arm in scoring a goal, deliberate or not directly going in or not that has always been seen against the spirit of the game. Refs don't like it, fans don't like and it makes sense that it shouldn't be accepted(he messed the chance up, might have instead have glanced off him judging by Edersons movements).
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I agree with this part which is why I'm glad the rule is being changed next season.
 
Just like the dippers last night, that was an astonishing performance and comeback from Spurs.

Thoroughly deserved to go through tonight.

Should make a fucking cracking final. 2 teams who play attacking football and score lots of goals.

This is such a gigantic opportunity for Spurs.

A CL win would make them much more attractIve to players and they’d keep their best ones. Could be the start of really big things for them.
 
Machiavelli said:
Who do you think was looping the footage for the ref? The Var ref?
They prepared the best clip for him to assess knowing one angle shows nothing (the one on loop on the screen he’s watching that he bases his decision on) and the one BT had already shown us at home from behind the goal - the one which shows the blatant contact. Rio Ferdinand even said “you can see the skin wobble as the ball hits his arm” when reviewing the angle from behind the goal!
Did you also see the ref shrug his shoulders as he walks away from the screen as if to say “I couldn’t see nothing”? Watch the video I posted again and watch as he walks to award the goal.
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You still on about this misery guts? ;)
 
Sorry for linking the sun again but read this from Mark Halsey

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8887824/mark-halsey-llorente-goal-spurs-man-city-var/

And ex-top ref Halsey said: “If Cakir gets to see that replay then the goal is disallowed.

“Llorente leads with his arm and makes a movement towards the ball.

"So you could argue that is deliberate.

But this camera angle was not shown by broadcasters to the officials - and I have no idea why it wasn't.

“You clearly saw Cakir saying the ball hit Llorente’s hip after he watched replays on the pitchside monitor.

“Why were all the camera angles not afforded to the match officials?

“That was a massive, massive call but on the evidence Cakir was afforded, you cannot criticise him for awarding the goal.

Case closed for me.
 
Machiavelli said:
Who do you think was looping the footage for the ref? The Var ref?
They prepared the best clip for him to assess knowing one angle shows nothing (the one on loop on the screen he’s watching that he bases his decision on) and the one BT had already shown us at home from behind the goal - the one which shows the blatant contact. Rio Ferdinand even said “you can see the skin wobble as the ball hits his arm” when reviewing the angle from behind the goal!
Did you also see the ref shrug his shoulders as he walks away from the screen as if to say “I couldn’t see nothing”? Watch the video I posted again and watch as he walks to award the goal.
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I don't disagree with anything you've said, it clearly hit his arm and the referee wasn't shown the angle which showed this clearly. It's only a suggestion but maybe he was only checking to see whether or not it looked deliberate and therefore only needed to see that one angle.
 
Machiavelli said:
Sorry for linking the sun again but read this from Mark Halsey

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/8887824/mark-halsey-llorente-goal-spurs-man-city-var/

And ex-top ref Halsey said: “If Cakir gets to see that replay then the goal is disallowed.

“Llorente leads with his arm and makes a movement towards the ball.

"So you could argue that is deliberate.

But this camera angle was not shown by broadcasters to the officials - and I have no idea why it wasn't.

“You clearly saw Cakir saying the ball hit Llorente’s hip after he watched replays on the pitchside monitor.

“Why were all the camera angles not afforded to the match officials?

“That was a massive, massive call but on the evidence Cakir was afforded, you cannot criticise him for awarding the goal.

Case closed for me.
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Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows it was handball and UEFA did our legs on it.

The really annoying part is that side is now 90 minutes away from winning the thing.
 
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